I can no longer see the beauty in religion
- My mother is Roman Catholic and my father was a Southern Baptist (they didn't get along religiously at all, he would yell at her when she came home from mass and pour her holy water down the sink)
- I was sent to a non-denomination/evangelical/charismatic church growing up
- I have a Mormon half-brother
- A neighbor of mine is an ex-Jehova's witness
- My best friend from Kindergarten until 5th grade was a Messianic Jew
- My best friend in 6th grade came from a Wiccan family
- A family-friend who practically watched me grow up thinks God doesn't want women in the government
- I myself got into New Age beliefs in 7th/8th grade
This led to a lot of confusion, and because of it I became an atheist around the age of 13, shortly after I became disillusioned with New Age stuff. Although men like Sagan, Tyson, and Dawkins were those I considered to be heroes, and I liked to think myself above my peers for being a "freethinking individual", in reality I was no better than the religious fundamentalists I claimed to oppose. I used the same old tired atheist arguments (The Problem of Evil. Sky Daddy is an egotistical maniac, etc.), criticized Christian evangelism despite trying to deconvert my own family, and other such things.
For some reason (I don't really remember why) I got into Islam at around 16, I still thought there probably wasn't a God, but if there was it likely what was described in the Qur'an, I found it a more reasonable religion than Christianity, thinking that Islam had stuck to its Middle Eastern roots better (my only significant exposure to Christianity was contemporary American evangelicalism, so I don't exactly think I can blame my younger self), this phase was short lived however and I soon returned to atheism and then to Eastern Orthodox Christianity
I officially became a catechumen around February 2024 and was baptized Holy Saturday of this year, I consider this to be a good thing, but unfortunately some around me have not.
Rant Incoming, skip to the next header if you don't wanna read
I have a certain friend (if you're reading this you know who you are, you're not on SpaceHey but the link to my profile is in my Discord) who I became very close to in early 2023 shortly after I turned 18, I had gotten doxxed and she was there to comfort me and help me through the stress, long story I really don't wanna get into right now, but the point I'm trying to get across is I considered her my closest friend for a long time and I was nearly inseperable from her, arguably we were closer than some romantic partners are with each other. For some personal reasons I won't elaborate on we had a falling out in November of last year, but we reconnected around April. We were both relatively excited and hoped things could go back to the way they were, except...
She became an atheist while I was gone, she already was one before but things are significantly different now. Terms such as "explicit atheism", "hard atheism" "antitheism", "misotheism", "atheist fundamentalism", "scientism", "post-theism", "militant atheism", and probably countless others all have slightly different meaning and nuance, however I personally use the umbrella term "Reddit Atheism" to broadly refer to all of them, since (at least to me) they bring to mind the image of a fedora-wearing Reddit user circa 2013, especially a teenager (yes, I know I am calling myself out), who believes atheism equates to intellectual superiority. Again I wouldn't consider this a problem, except for the fact that this friend is twenty-five years old, and I'm looking at her fall into the same pitfalls I did 6 years ago, even more/deeper pitfalls to some extent.
- She quote-mines atheist content creators in the exact same way evangelicals quote-mine the Bible
- She loves to talk about how religious people use logical fallacies, and then goes on to use those same logical fallacies (oftentimes more frequent than me, afaik the only religious person she debates)
- She's anti-religious but literally has a creed in her bio
- When someone sneezes she now responds with "I acknowledge your sneeze" to avoid any religious connotation.
- She doesn't like the idea of religious people converting others, and yet she tried to pull me away from atheism during Holy Week because she felt I was "vulnerable" and "needed to be protected", for Christ's sake I was 19 at the time! Not some toddler who needs his mommy to rescue him. I spent 3 years of my life trying to convert and it has brought me life, purpose, and joy, why would I want to be pulled away from that.
Once during a debate, it felt as if the worst had passed and we had finally made progress, then she mentioned that she wanted to destroy/dismantle the Catholic Church (religion in general but Catholicism was the topic of discussion), which upset me, to my surprise she was very confused and had no idea what she had said wrong.
She's the one who claims to be the "free-thinker" among us, so it astounds me that she doesn't understand why the religious guy would get mad when he hears that someone he once considered his best friend wants to tear down the system of belief upon which he bases his entire life.
Not to mention it is seemingly only me she has this problem with, among her other friends are
- Two Protestants
- A Jew
- Two Satanist
- A Buddhist
And yet it's just me and one of the Protestants she seems to have these issues with, the Buddhist and Satanist are closer with her than I was, they're practically dating in all but name (this is a problem I've brought up, and all she says about it is "that's just your opinion" as if a friendship isn't literally built around common interest and validation/sharing of opinions, this a phrase she uses just about any time someone disagrees with her).
I should abandon this friendship I feel, and yet I cannot, she consumes my every waking thought, my brain making up scenarios that do not exist so I can win arguments that never happen, I have an uncomfortable obsession with this for some reason, to the point that I'm here at 2:32 in the morning when I have work to do tomorrow writing about it
I should abandon this friendship I feel, and yet I cannot, she consumes my every waking thought, my brain making up scenarios that do not exist so I can win arguments that never happen, I have an uncomfortable obsession with this for some reason, to the point that I'm here at 2:32 in the morning when I have work to do tomorrow writing about it
TL;DR, someone I once considered my closest friend is now a Reddit Atheist and it consumes me unhealthily
This has affected my ability to enjoy the faith which I spent so long becoming a part of, when I look at an icon, I now just see a painted object/wall when I once saw gorgeous sacred art, where I once saw the house of God I see a building, mere pages where once I saw his word, soggy bread in place of his body and blood. Of course there are some exceptions or moments of clarity, I recieved the Eucharist 3 weeks ago and had an experience I can only describe as orgasmic (I understand that is INCREDIBLY blasphemous/crass but the overwhelming sense of pleasure and contentedness I felt has no word I can use to express it), but overall I feel like this zeal I once had is empty and dried up, what few feelings I have of truly "doing it right" are vapid and fleeting
I do not expect any kind of advice or help in this, I just felt like I needed to get this off my chest cuz I was sick and tired of bottling it up for several months, thanks for listening to me if you actually bothered to read this all the way through
I do not expect any kind of advice or help in this, I just felt like I needed to get this off my chest cuz I was sick and tired of bottling it up for several months, thanks for listening to me if you actually bothered to read this all the way through
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Forgotten_Lemon
Just a quick correction, I noticed in point 5 of the rant that I said she tried to "pull me away from atheism" when what I meant to say was "Pull me away from Christianity and towards atheism", it was 2AM when I was writing this so I wasn't exactly very coherent
hz.u
I'll just give my two cents as someone on the internet, that freind of yours really is a massive asshat for trying and even going to the point as to say something so grueling that you're being affected even after the fact you called them off, wish of you the best in this time