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Scene easily has the worst gatekeeping I have ever seen in a subculture, and I've been in quite a few. Scene is a poser subculture because it's based around fashion and you don't have to listen to any music to be a part of it, but it associates itself with being into music anyway.
However, people are super mean if you're a "poser" in scene. Apparently "scenecore" is the worst thing you can be and making kandi isn't real scene. I have seen tiktoks of people posting literal teenagers and making fun of them for being "fake scene." A lot of the people they post are scene too, they're just more inspired by the 2nd wave or added something new.
These people can't understand the concept of waves in subcultures. The original myspace scene is 1st wave. The 2010's with all the characters and memes is 2nd wave, and we are in the 3rd wave now. They think anyone who doesn't try to look like 1st wave scene is a "poser."
I have also seen several people say you can't be scene if you don't have straight hair or straighten it which is super wrong. Sure, the hair is a big part of it, but you can have scene hair with curly hair, and even if you couldn't, why would you police hair textures?
The rivalry between scene and scenecore is so weird because no real subculture does this. I have never seen a goth call deathrock fake goth and say that those who enjoy it are posers. Or a punk say the same about hardcore.
It didn't used to be like this. I was scemo in 2019-20 and people were way nicer. I know scene people were toxic in the 2000's, but I'm pretty sure they didn't call people posers. As usual, tiktok ruins everything.
Scene will die out in 20 years, because they can't separate themselves from the late 2000's-early 2010's. Every subculture that has lasted has kept up with the times, but scene refuses any change because its not "authentic."
Every element of scene is taken from another subculture. You cannot be a poser for a subculture for posers. You're scene if you wear the fashion style.
Feel free to argue with me but if you're being rude I will ignore you.
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Xx_HallowsEve_xX
akhdsfgsjak This was posted a month ago ik but music *is* an important part of the scene culture, but it's a little more versatile than what emo and goth music are; (sometimes scenes will also associate with artists that fall under the emo subculture as well, such as pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens, that are associated with the third wave of emo.) Music that is considered definitely scene however would be artists like Brokencyde, Breathe Carolina, and the Millionares to name a few. I personally wouldn't call scene a 'poser' subculture, although that was part of their history when that and the third wave of emo were most popular. Of course those who were deemed 'posers' when scene was becoming a thing just made scene into the subculture that it is. But I agree with most of your points here; one can absolutely be scene with curly/natural hair. And that with each wave of scene is still scene, subcultures evolve with time. While scenecore and scene are not the same thing, scenecore does take a lot of it's inspiration from scene. Just like scene has some inspiration from emo, yet the two are not the same. Fashion is important in the scene culture yes, that being a very significant form of its expression; but I wouldn't say that looks are the only values. If you don't listen to authentic scene music, (like those mentioned above or others that fall under that category) then one might be more scenecore than scene. I'm not sure if scenecore has that thing where it's like "if you don't listen to scenecore music you aren't scenecore," (please inform me if so!) but if it does then calling oneself either of these things without those other key elements would be poser activity. Also I never understood the whole outrageous forms of gatekeeping for the scene look, like at the end of the day it's about self expression and that's what they preach when they wear bracelets all up their arms, tutus, and accessorize in the way they do. (Not bashing the scene style I think it's so cool I'm just giving brief description.) In my opinion I think gatekeeping those kinds of things goes against the initial values and that's more poser-centered than anything else. Like there are multiple reasons why someone wouldn't be able to look the cookie-cutter part, (or at least the entirety of it) which is why the music taste is so important. Then again though, this is coming from a third wave emo, anyone who is actually scene can reply and educate me further on the subculture! Just please be civilized when doing so. :)
holy yap session tho. :0
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I get it. I'm not apart of the community itself, but damn they want their culture to stay obscure to the point that they have done the exact opposite.