This response couldn't be fit into a comment, so I made a post. Might delete if this flops. I have an answer to your question but it's a complicated answer.
I grew up with a single dad who was the most standup man I've ever been around. his morals are straight, he's a hard worker, he's honest, dependable, all that good stuff. He raised me so I didn't see the differences between sex, race, age, or anything else. There were just people, so I didn't even notice the divide between men and women till i was about 20, and I had an extremely favorable opinion of men until that point. I just loved people.
When I got older, I started disliking people more. I was never too involved with girls. Not on purpose- I just wasn't sure how to talk to them. I think being only raised by my dad with no women around I never learned how to be softer nicer, patient or more reasonable. I could say anything I wanted to a boy, no matter how mean, loud, or crude and they'd laugh and say something mean back and we'd roughhouse or throw rocks at shit. With girls I'd try the same thing and it always put them off, make them uncomfortable, embarrass them, or at worst hurt their feelings. We were rarely into the same things and I always seemed to annoy them, so most of my friends were boys. That- and it was easier to make friends you saw enjoying the things you did, than interrupting someone's recess to ask them. I was also more awkward because I wasn't sure how to go about it or why it was harder, and I think me being apprehensive made me come off as weird too so that didn't help. There were some Tomboys that I really liked who had the same problems connecting with girls though, and we'd be closer than any boy I'd be friends with. but they were few and far between and I'd move A LOT so there were only 3 or 4 in the 13 schools I went to. Then when I moved, I started going through puberty and my body changed.
Then the majority of men stopped listening to anything I said, then the boys following their lead, even when I was right or came up with better ideas. They started cutting me off, ignoring me, and every mistake I made was a "woman moment". I would out perform every man who talked down to me (the ones who would out preform me didn't feel the need to belittle me) and I'd still be looked down on. I still didn't notice it was men yet, I just though people were meaner in the new city I was in. High school stuff.
Then I noticed how they acted when they wanted me, and how they'd ghost me and talk shit when I didn't want them back. Or how every conversation had a bit where they'd comment on my chest and/or make sexual comments about me. I liked the attention though, it made me feel pretty. I wasn't an ugly kid but before the boys started liking girls visually, my personality made me more one of them than a girl in their eyes. Then it never stopped, and as I got more attention and listened to the way they talked, I realized how shallow their attention was. Then I saw how invaluable it was once I had my boyfriend from high school use my body, degrade women he found ugly, and chase women he found attractive while still with me. This made me realize it was men. Not because he did all that and that made men bad- I wasn't a caveman. I knew the difference between causation and correlation. It was because of him, I thought more about to how the boys used to treat me before puberty, how they've treated me since then and how I've heard them talk about other women/girls.
It's foul, and that's just what they're saying consciously and in front of me. I don't think all men TRY to brush us off every chance they get. I know it's unconscious sometimes, which I don't know which is worse. I still don't have that many women friends so I hear all of it. Not from my friends, or I wouldn't be friends with them but THEIR friends. Co-workers. Strangers in public. I can tell- we all can tell. We can see it in the forced posture, hear it in the Freudian slips, their tone. Their goal is to get us in bed, or they're at least thinking about it. The same way you watch a funny reel or tik-tok just for it to end up a creative ad. Most of them talk to us like they're sales-men, trying to manipulate or sell us the idea that we should give them some. They tell us. "I know how men think" "They're being to nice cause they wanna fuck you" "my girlfriend is boring and I hate her but she's pretty and I don't want to be alone". Every woman arrives to this conclusion, this is just my story of how I got here, but the information we work with is the same and consistent across the board.
It's really bad when one of them starts and the Boys/men who aren't that bad get grosser and grosser because they're going along with it, trying to make the group like them more. Group mentality is very real and eventually they adopt that line of thinking being in the echo chamber for so long. Some get brave doing it all the time, and the worst ones and start being vocal about their degrading and dehumanizing thoughts they've adopted to groups of outside people. They restart the cycle as the leader. Then how can the target of the antagonization stand up to it when the whole point is to get a reaction to laugh at together? When the whole point is to make sure they know their distress is the desired reaction, goading them into bringing it up along with other jabs so they can say "haha I got you" and prove one argument right (that women will react said antagonization), then act like since they got you on one point, they got you on the rest. Or you can just stay quiet and take it. Everyone looses either way.
I'm not even going into the media force feeding us gender wars. I cant even count how many people I've met who are mad at the other sex for a story they heard about an experience they've never been through. It's not all men. It's not all woman. Just keep an eye out and be safe though because its a lot of both at this moment in time.
And politics is a mess...
Anyway, I hear men say "I don't know how to pull" and the issue for those men isn't that you're ugly, broke, fat, not funny, boring, or not smooth enough. The issue is: We can tell if you've never been friends with a woman you're not HOPING you can tap. Hoping means you have expectations and its exhausting, insulting, and annoying. If you have this issue, honestly, find a woman you aren't in the least bit attracted to. A Woman you wouldn't touch with a 20ft pole for any reason. And talk to her. Make her your goddamn best friend and you'll realize its not women. It's you. The posturing will drop, and the goal is that you'll learn it's not supposed to feel like a sales pitch. Hopefully you learn how to treat all women and how different it is from interacting with a women you're only talking to for a goal.
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Vince
NEVER delete this, i wish this would get on the top blog page too, i totally agree with everything you said especially about the gender wars thing, people will bring up stupid ass gender wars and distract from the reason why women have been begging for equality for years, its not a crime to find a girl attractive but you have to still treat like a human being and not a sex toy, and dont look down on women ur not attracted to
I honestly really really hope that this reaches the right people. I really fucking hope this gets big. Fuck the views I just feel like people are trapped in their echo chambers.
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Yeah its so annoying scrolling thru that comment section and seeing people calling others snowflakes for expressing distaste at the blog
by Vince; ; Report
I don't wanna sound like a beggar but would you be open to sharing this? I hate that the debate of gender turns into a blame game and screaming match and I did my best to keep it neutral and explain without attacking anyone. It'd mean a lot to me of even a few more boys/me could see girl's/women's point of view
by ▄︻┻ 𝕾𝕮𝕱𝕱𝕯 ︻┳═─-; ; Report
Yeah of course
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