༒ religion ༒ So I was talking about the bible with my friend the other day(we are both agnostic atheists). I have never read the book before, only having seen verses and summaries of its contents. However, my friend—whom we'll call A—has. There were a few things A said that still lingered at the back of my mind, and I wanted to share my thoughts on it. IMPORTANT NOTE: I am discussing about a specific strain of Christianity, which consists of fundamentalist, literalist and right-winged protestants. I know other Christian traditions explicitly reject some of the things I will be criticizing, so please keep that in mind. Bolded text are from A. With that out of the way, let's begin: "Humans will never improve and evolve if religion chains them down. " Honestly, this is a bold statement on it's own, but it got me thinking. Humans, as a species, wouldn’t chain themselves. "Willingly devoting your life, your body, to be a vessel used by God as a channel for his purposes, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth." We have made ourselves slaves, shackling ourselves to whatever it may be for our ego. All was once pure till ego came. That was my idea, at least. That our downfall will be our thirst, that we always want more, that nothing will be enough, and everything should be exploited. I agree a lot with this and somewhat not. I say though that to me religion is something I might not comment too much on, I’m simply too ignorant. But I believe that we shouldn’t run our society on them. My main issue is how it causes divide. And how it’s so rigid and never changes. Ideas from thousands of years ago translated as law. Someone's rights to their own bodily autonomy in the modern day could be determined by a book man centuries ago decided was true, 'A sign of an otherworldly being'. An example: An underaged girl gets raped by a man thrice her age, the girl gets pregnant and receives an abortion, understandably, severely traumatised from the incident. Statistically, if not caught, the man would face no charges for his crime. However, the underaged girl would get called a 'murderer' and a 'killer' for the 'sin' of aborting an unborn fetus. According to the bible(one interpretation of some passages filtered through centuries of power structures.) In the eyes of God, if the rapist repented for his sin, they would be forgiven, and receive little to no punishment. "As long as you believe and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, you will receive salvation no matter what. Salvation cannot be taken away." By that logic, a child who was raped and had no other option but aborting her baby, and her Christian rapist who had 'atoned', would be no different. They would all be considered heinous sins. At least in God's eyes they are. If a belief system: condemns a raped child, minimizes the harm done by the rapist, prioritizes abstract 'sin' over lived suffering, then it deserves ethical scrutiny. "Jesus consistently sides with the vulnerable legalistic religion is exactly what he condemns in the gospels." Ironically, Jesus’s harshest words are for religious authorities, not sinners. So when religion is used to shame victims, excuse abusers and enforce control over bodies, it just shows how often religion has been weaponized. If the decision of one's path to Heaven and Hell is determined by the figure they worshiped, and not the life they lived, is it even worth living at all? By not being a believer of Christ, in the eyes of God, the girl would go to hell because she had 'sinned', and because she had the chance to believe God but didn't. I feel like it’s unfair, isn’t it? I have always assumed God is fair, like with most Christians I've spoken to. If belief matters more than actions, then morality itself becomes meaningless. Who wants to spend an eternity in Heaven with pedophiles? Either the system is unjust, or God’s morality is alien to ours. I must admit though. I don’t know enough about the subject, let alone a whole religion. Still, I find it absurd how good people get sent to hell just because they don’t believe in a certain God. The belief that an innocent would be punished for the sin of not worshipping the 'right God' disgusts me. "We made God, to cope with the reality of having no life after death. We made God, to excuse and downplay real, unforgivable acts committed. We made God, to control others. " A's claims really messed up my perception of religion as a whole. If the books are true, I guess that's how it is. We aren’t God, we don't make the rules. If the books aren't true, and were fabricated by mankind to excuse their actions, then we do control the rules. We are able to bend and shape it into what ever we desire, we are able to instill a flawed belief system onto generations to come. That by just believing in a God, they would be granted eternal peace in the afterlife. I see it as a form of coping for them, comfort after death. That begs the question though. How can I be someone good, but if I don’t believe, I get punished. But if someone does bad but believes in him, can be forgiven and given heaven. I've been asking myself this for a while now, and yet I still can find a conclusion that sits well. This isn't my usual style of content, mainly because I'm not educated enough on the topic. I plan on reading the bible someday and reflect on my thoughts, perhaps they will change, perhaps they will not. Currently, one of my goals is to write a short series loosely based on religion and finding purpose, without a god or a figure to guide you. A vessel if you will, open and empty, kept alive to be filled by God's spirit, emptied of self-centered desires, ready to be used. That has, unironically, been the driving force to this rabbit hole. Though, I really want to hear other's thoughts on the topic. Heck, maybe if I could, I might finish the series. And to the Christians, I don’t see God as morally good based on how he’s portrayed in the bible and from others, but I don’t think that makes any you a bad person. We should not judge someone based solely on their religion, I respect Christians who don’t harm others and who focus on empathy and helping others rather than to justify control. You guys have been there for me at my lowest, to which I appreciate your kindness. Love y'all.
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I wrote a short writing called “Christians Love to Hate” which is a critique I’ve been bottling up for years growing up as a Christian. I posted it on my blog. However, I’d like to say this; the Bible should be a gentle guide. Unfortunately, people use the Bible as a guideline to their practices of faith, and I just want to warn you it’s not even that. I used to believe that whatever what was written was acceptable, however the Bible talks about slavery, rape, war and murder of children. I take things with a grain of salt because the reality is, the Bible was written a long time ago. I believe whatever God was doing or saying back then was a way to reach to people and meet them where they are at. If the Bible were written today in this modern age it would be completely different, which is why I don’t agree with the fact the Bible is always reliable. If you do end up reading the Bible, take it gently and don’t be afraid to question whatever you are reading. More so, many things can be true at once. Belief and action aren’t necessarily correspondent-sometimes belief matters more than action, sometimes actions matter more than belief, and it’s true to say sometimes it’s neither. People try to twist this idea of morality vs belief, but in all rightness it isn’t that at all. A demon believes in the existence of God as much as a Christian does. An atheist can donate money as much as a Christian does, perhaps even more! Belief is in the mind, not the heart. Love is in the heart, and in the end I think that is all God really asks for. So, to answer your question, whether life is worth living if in the end someone whom believes in God yet does wicked things will be saved compared to someone who does good things yet don’t believe in the existence of God will be punished-is just not true. God doesn’t punish good people, and Christians trying to push that idea is simply manipulative. Morality doesn’t come out of religion because then it becomes hypocrisy. When wicked Christians genuinely do repent, they know the consequence of their wickedness and accept the imbalanced duality. If they do it out of desperation to be saved, they aren’t really repentant because their hearts haven’t changed, even if they do believe in God. A girl whom had been raped and severely traumatized, yet doesn’t believe in God, will still be saved. It’s not about belief but rather mercy and love. One verse I always remember is “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.” I know I said take the Bible with a grain of salt, but truly I do admire this one. It doesn’t mention beliefs, it doesn’t mention punishment for lack of faith, but simply reassurance that pain doesn’t go unrecognized. Christians try to enforce this idea of “believe, trust and obey,” however not everyone is going to be on the same stepping stone of religion as they are. I believe God is compassionate and patient, unwaveringly loyal to His children. I don’t think God is egotistic enough to punish someone for denying his existence, especially when they the world has hurt them.
The bolded quotes are merely opinions. I do agree that some religion can chain you down. Following the Word of God is not exactly the same though. And as much as we like it or not, some of our laws and moral assumptions are influenced by biblical times and that’s just how society runs.
One very important reason to read and scrutinize the Bible yourself is for the following reason. Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say that salvation cannot be taken away. That is not a clear sentence in the text. That is an interpretation certain Protestants argue for, but other Christians disagree. So when your whole raped girl example depends on “salvation cannot be taken away no matter what,” you have to admit that is not a universally agreed biblical rule. That is one doctrinal framework, not the whole religion.
Belief does not matter more than actions. Faith matters. Being a good person matters. God gave us free will to decide for ourselves whether we rape others, abort babies, or believe in him or not. The Bible warns us how Satan used his free will to cause human suffering, and God gave you free will to listen to the instructions the Bible gives us to free ourselves from the evils of this world.
Humans created religion to enforce power and control. Why do you think there are so many denominations. Catholics also call themselves Christians and they have a different doctrine than Protestants, who within their doctrines have up to around 40 to 60 major doctrinal interpretation frameworks depending on the topic. Interpretations matter so much, so don’t just take A’s or my word, but scrutinize the Bible yourself.
God only shared the Word in hopes that you would read it, understand that we live in a spiritual trippy realm, accept that Jesus is gonna come get you when shit hits the fan on earth, and spend the rest of forever stress free and rent free. Like what’s so bad about that.
John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The Word is all that matters. And if you have discernment you will read through all the bullshit interpretations. Yes, people in power have interpreted it certain ways to fool and deceive others, but when you truly understand the Word you’ll know how easy and simple it is.
By the way, I am a non denominational Protestant Christian who follows the Word. I have an ESV Crossway Bible.
This is why interpretation matters so much. Christianity isn’t one unified belief system, and reducing it to its worst expressions doesn’t really get us closer to the truth.
by Valentina; ; Report
The bolded quotes are merely opinions. I do agree that some religion can chain you down. Following the Word of God is not exactly the same though. And as much as we like it or not, some of our laws and moral assumptions are influenced by biblical times and that’s just how society runs.
One very important reason to read and scrutinize the Bible yourself is for the following reason. Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say that salvation cannot be taken away. That is not a clear sentence in the text. That is an interpretation certain Protestants argue for, but other Christians disagree. So when your whole raped girl example depends on “salvation cannot be taken away no matter what,” you have to admit that is not a universally agreed biblical rule. That is one doctrinal framework, not the whole religion.
Belief does not matter more than actions. Faith matters. Being a good person matters. God gave us free will to decide for ourselves whether we rape others, abort babies, or believe in him or not. The Bible warns us how Satan used his free will to cause human suffering, and God gave you free will to listen to the instructions the Bible gives us to free ourselves from the evils of this world.
Humans created religion to enforce power and control. Why do you think there are so many denominations. Catholics also call themselves Christians and they have a different doctrine than Protestants, who within their doctrines have up to around 40 to 60 major doctrinal interpretation frameworks depending on the topic. Interpretations matter so much, so don’t just take A’s or my word, but scrutinize the Bible yourself.
God only shared the Word in hopes that you would read it, understand that we live in a spiritual trippy realm, accept that Jesus is gonna come get you when shit hits the fan on earth, and spend the rest of forever stress free and rent free. Like what’s so bad about that.
John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The Word is all that matters. And if you have discernment you will read through all the bullshit interpretations. Yes, people in power have interpreted it certain ways to fool and deceive others, but when you truly understand the Word you’ll know how easy and simple it is.
By the way, I am a non denominational Protestant Christian who follows the Word. I have an ESV Crossway Bible.
This is why interpretation matters so much. Christianity isn’t one unified belief system, and reducing it to its worst expressions doesn’t really get us closer to the truth.
by Valentina; ; Report