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i don't care for feminism but saying hijab is anti-feminist just makes no sense. mostly because it contradicts them.
On the opposite spectrum from hijab, there is porn. Feminists are of two views when it comes to porn:
#1: “It’s empowering, i love it”
this is completely contradictive of feminism. most of the women who take this stance are “choice feminists” which are a people who think women should be able to choose for themselves what they want, so these are the ones more likely to support both hijab and porn. ask them why they’re okay with women’s bodies being commodities. Ask them why they’re okay with rape rates significantly increasing because of these choices. it’s in the nature of many women to want to be seen and noticed, and some will even take this to the extremes; nobody should make whatever choices they want completely for themselves. you need morals; bonnie blue is an example of why.
#2 “it’s disgusting and degrading to women, i hate it”
these are the radical feminists who are honestly better than #1. however their flaw is that they also take this logic for the hijab; why should the woman’s body be hidden, they ask? I will answer this question later. Firstly, why are they against porn? is it because it treats women’s bodies as commodities or because the women are revealing themselves? sa7 they’ll say commodities? how so? because the women don’t wear clothing. not hard to understand.
several universities in portugal, italy, and austria participated in a study, and the objective of the study was to find one thing: do men respect uncovered women less? their conclusion was YES, OBVIOUSLY! “Again, results showed reduced similarity between self-other emotional ratings toward sexualized as compared to non-sexualized women. The findings suggest that interacting with sexually objectified women reduces empathic responses typically observed within human relations.” A DIRECT QUOTE!
at Edith Cowan University in Australia, they did a similar experiment. they tested which areas on which both men and women gaze on others. they found that men mainly focused on body, while women focused on their head and face. women are simply wired differently. it’s not difficult to understand. so THAT is why women cover while men don’t need to cover as much. mind you men still need to cover.
and i'm sick of the "go live in saudi arabia then" argument because god, i wish! based on interviews with citizens, 72% of saudi citizens feel safe walking alone at night while only 44% of americans do! america is worse than saudi arabia i genuinely don't care what anybody says! In 2002 Saudi reported .3 rapes.. per... 100,000 people.... thats one in 300,000! don't give me the "well they silence rape victims anyway" because NO they don't, rape is just so rare in saudi arabia because they BEHEAD rapists! meanwhile in america they feed and shelter them thx bye! do you want the United States statistics in the same year? .4 per ONE THOUSAND. so let's compare it: .3 per 100,000, and .4 per 1,000.
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Dana Scully
It all depends on the context in my opinion.
A woman choosing to wear a hijab = awesome, you do you.
A woman being forced or pressured to wear a hijab = not okay.
Shaming or harming a woman for not wearing a hijab = also not okay.
nobody should be forced to do things they don't want to
by umm amira; ; Report
333half-evil
I'm ex muslim and ive got so much to say but i wont go on long.
Is hijab itself anti-feminist? No
Is forcing womem to wear hijab anti feminist? Yes.
I do feel like feminism contradicts islam in so many ways. Because yes islam doesnt force you to be inside it of course. But if you're muslim and a woman its is required for you to wear a hijab. Im so tired of people saying its not a reaquirement. I have nothing against muslim women who dont wear hijab but i hate it when they act like they arent breaking a rule. And on the topic of islam not forcing people to be in it, i strongly believe, and this goes for the "heaven-hell" religions too, that dangling the punishment of going to hell is not a choice. Like for example, youre walking on the street, a robber points a gun at you and said "give it to me or die", you give the robber the purse. Later the robber is caught and they say "but your honour i didnt force them to give it to me". I don't know if you get what i'm saying, but i truly believe that if hell wasnt a concept is islam, and so many other religions, a lot of people wouldnt be in it but im going off on a tangent.
Other ways i feel like islam contradicts feminism is the fact that men can marry four women, but women can only marry one man. A man can marry a non-muslim but a woman cant. A woman apparently needs the witness of two muslim men if she wants to divorce a guy. I know it hard but muslim women just need to accept the fact that men have certain rights over them, im sorry but its true.
And also i believe forcing people to cover promotes r#pe culture. Because of "but what was she wearing?".
Another thing you said was about the "men tend to look at womens bodies but women tend to look at mens faces". That may be true but its not "just the way women are wired" its because we live in patriarchy where women are so over-s3xualised and judged for what they do with their bodies. Its because of years of patriarchy and gender-norms that are so ingrained in are society. Girls and boys dont come out of the womb automatically liking pink or blue. Its because the little girl noticed the female toilets are always pink and the male is blue. Its because male children get shunned for liking "feminine" things. I obviously cant say when all of these social structures started but i still feel its perpetuated by religions like islam.
I stll respect muslims and muslim women even thought i have a lot of contempt for islam. So yeah
Oh and yeah another thing, theres nothing inherently wrong with p#rn. Is the p#rn industry bad for women? Yeah but thats the industry, not necessarily the product. Im not exactly like "h3ll ya i love p#rn". And i also thing minors definetly shouldnt be making it... duh. But if a grown woman with like 100 years give or take to live on this earth decides she wants to film that stuff then sure why not
by 333half-evil; ; Report
i put your comment in a gogole doc and annotated it using the comment feature because i genuinely did find it intriguing, so i apologize if anything seems like its moving too fast or switches topics too quickly. i never claimed islam is feminist. islam doesn't have to be feminist to care for women's rights. they aren't synonymous. feminism stems from a society in which women's rights are inadequate. our islamic rights aren't inadequate, Allah perfected our religion. feminism and women's rights are two separate things.
your second point, i never claimed hijab is a choice. it's obligatory, i stand by this. but at the same time, its not 101% confirmed that women who don't wear hijab will go to hell. it's repeatedly said that Allah is the most Compassionate and Merciful, it is what we recite before almost every single chapter in the Quran. a prostitute was given jannah simply for giving water to an animal, which if i remember correctly was a kitten. and if it's truly such a controlling concept, every single person on earth would follow a religion that has a concept of heaven and hell. however they do not, because in order to, you must have faith in God, and those who have faith in God want to obey God.
about men marrying four while women can not, it's for a reason. there are many widows, divorcees, orphans etc etc and more often than not, in any chosen period of time, women often outnumber men. not all the time, well maybe, i'm not a historian, but as far as i know it's most of the time. there is wisdom behind these.
a muslim man can marry a practicing jew or christian while a muslim woman can not. this is because in islam, wives have rights that a jewish or christian man isn't obligated to give her, and he can't be prosecuted if he doesn't because he's under no obligation to. he isn't legally or religiously obligated to provide for her fully, treat her kindly, give her her mahr (dowry), among other things. however, a muslim man can marry a jewish or christian woman to spread islam and he still has to give her the rights he would give a muslim woman, ie providing fully, kindness, etc.
as for your statement that a woman needs witnesses to divorce a man, no she doesn't. i think you confused this with the witnesses needed for rape, which with modern times you can also use rape kits, physical evidence, medical reports of vaginal bruising etc. which is something completely different, ya habiba.
in islam "what was she wearing" is not a thing. the rapist is put to death regardless of what the victim was wearing, the modesty is simply an added layer of protection. if she was not wearing it, they are still put to death.
your point about women not being psychologically different and simply being conditioned in a patriarchy has no evidence. this is your own speculation.
your comment was insightful, however i think a lot of your issues with the religion are culture-based. we can speak more about this, you're a kind girl and i would love to go more in depth with you as you clearly are keen on logic and whatnot.
by umm amira; ; Report
Thanks for your reply :>. I do have to agree to disagree on certain things but i do agree that you never claimed islam was feminist or anything. I understand your point about men being allowed to non muslims while women aren't but can't a woman just leave a man if he isnt treating her right? (I know divorce isnt sin in islam, just frowned upon. But there are still certain restrictions) and im also aware why a lot of abuse victims just dont leave. But on the surface level the whole mahr or "treating women right" in islam is really just basic human decency that both men and women should uphold. If one spouse isnt financially well off the other should give their spouse the mahr (or in a non-muslims case money). As for my point on men and women being "programmed" the way they are because of social structures and gender norms, yeah maybe its just speculation. But on the other hand i feel like its pretty logical to assume that. Its not like "pink means girl and blue means boy" is programmed into our biology or psychology so it must have come from somewhere right? And also your point about faith. Well yes muslims do have genuine faith in allah which is why they are in the religion first and fore-most. And i know there will still be muslims in an alternate universe where there wasnt punishment for not being a muslim. But i still genuinly believe that a lot of peoples main reason for being in a religion is not wanting to burn in a fire for all eternity. But that may just be my personal experience because that was the thing keeping me from leaving islam before i left
by 333half-evil; ; Report
i've always wondered this actually, if the only thing keeping you from religion is the fear of hell and not because of any intellectual reasons such as its illogical, contradictory, etc etc why did you leave it? i'm not trying to be like BE MUSLIM NOW but i've genuinely wondered this, because the people i've met who leave christianity can name specific reasons and contradictions in the bible but i haven't seen that with ex-muslims
by umm amira; ; Report
i think i worded it wrong but i meant that the thing keeping me *from* leaving was going 2 hell for not being a believer. thought the "logical inconsistencies" pushed me, my other main reason is that religion and me dont rlly mix at all. like im gay and stuff so yeah
by 333half-evil; ; Report
logical inconsistencies?
by umm amira; ; Report
Yeah you know like using logic to decontruct religion
by 333half-evil; ; Report
*deconstruct
by 333half-evil; ; Report
by putting a question mark i implied that it's an invitation to discuss them, not that i don't know what logical inconsistencies are
by umm amira; ; Report
Oh well im not really that good at analyzing religion or anything, using logic. I mostly just left for my own sake
by 333half-evil; ; Report
aha. you don't see that as a sign that maybe there simply aren't any inconsistencies? i'm not forcing you to turn back to Islam but, just a question. i recommend you to begin studying religions, not only Islam but Christianity and the such. how can you know it's not the truth if you haven't studied enough to disprove it?
by umm amira; ; Report
FravelTooPointOh
literally just do whatever yall want idc if you wanna wear a hijab or make pornos, just don't be a dick
agree
by Richard; ; Report
TurtleDuck
As a hijabi feminist, I love this. I think the main reason people think the hijab is anti-feminist is because of some misconception where people think women are forced to wear it. While it is an order given to us by God, at the end of the day, we still have the free will to decide if we want to follow it. It can't be oppression if we have the choice
feminism contradicts islam ukhti
by martyr1; ; Report
habibti i understand 100% what you mean by being a feminist but we should avoid the term, the core of feminism implies that something is wrong/inadequate with the rights of women which, in the west, yes 100%! but in islam our rights are perfect. also in classical feminism they disregard religion, seeing it as something used to control women. i would replace it with being a womens rights activist! may Allah bless you
by umm amira; ; Report
omg i never thought of it that way. thank you!
by TurtleDuck; ; Report
ofc habiba stay safe may Allah protect you, and keep advocating!! <3
by umm amira; ; Report
Luke
Ok Ahmed, Afghanistan is a feminist paradise i heard too!
i hope you know how hard i just rolled my eyes at your comment, god, shut up that's a completely different situation + afghanistan is maturidi so their islam is debatable, saudi arabia is the closest to a fully shariah-ruled country
by umm amira; ; Report
I wonder why rape rates have increased in all of europe but not poland
by Luke; ; Report
good point, why do they do it in europe and not in the middle east? because they'll be killed for it, meanwhile in europe theyre clothed, fed, and sheltered
by umm amira; ; Report
Hmm must be the enrichment coming from yall XD
by Luke; ; Report
answer my question, why do they do it in europe and not the middle east? and is it not because you all treat rapists like royalty, while we behead them?
by umm amira; ; Report
ur such a dumbass
by ~★flipper64★~🍉; ; Report
https://freedomhouse.org/country/saudi-arabia/freedom-world/2025
LOL!
by Luke; ; Report
okay..? what does this prove this doesn't address my initial point
by umm amira; ; Report
HOLY PARAGRAPH it’s still very clearly against women and as someone who was born with a choice (Christian country and Christian but accepting parents) i chose to be atheist because obviously it’s not the truth and if you think so you’re clearly brainwashed
by kattedreng45; ; Report
i was born in a secular, but majority christian, country to moderate muslim parents who wouldn't care if i was christian. i chose this, i wasn't indoctrinated. i read my own books. you are brushing off my knowledge and logic as just being "indoctrinated." it's annoying. stop.
by umm amira; ; Report