I read a bit about nihilism. Nothing matters, so there's no reason to do anything or to not do anything... so you can spend your time doing everything, and either way, the universe will not care or punish you. So if this is true, then that means that morality is not objective rule set into the universe. Nothing is good or bad, because we do not have a purpose. If something we were to do would be bad, it would have to go against our purpose. If something had to be good, it would have to follow the principles of our purpose. But we have none, so good and bad don't exist.
Maybe it's good and bad in terms of morality. But morality is a subjective things, a personal rule created by humanity because of our sensitivity or fear of being harmed.
I also read what a nihilist felt about morality on reddit. He discussed his negative viewpoints on morality, how things like "good" and "bad" strayed our minds away from our own consciousness and objective thinking. In a world without morality, facts and independence would remain constant
I had to agree a bit with him. Morality is subjective, and when using it to deal with rational or objective situations can only lead the repression of strategic thinking. It prioritizes the feelings of others/ourselves upon the essentials. This is why some people have such a hard time dealing with the truth, because truth can hurt. And when it goes against morality, suddenly that objective fact becomes something everyone wants to forget.
However, I don't exactly think moral nihilism is something we should fully apply to this world. yes, maybe there truly is no good and bad in this world. but again, absurdism is also entwined with nihilism, so again, do what you want. Following moral nihilism increases your chances of getting hurt, doesn't it? In a world without morality, crime and hate speech would be blanketed everywhere. Sure, humans can survive insults if we put logic over feelings. But feelings still tend to come over us even if we think the "right" way here. A sudden spread in nihilism would make a few sociopaths here and there, and therefore: things like killing, stealing, and mutilating would suddenly become a common occurrence.
We obviously cannot survive without morality. An imbalance between the bad and the good could lead to a downfall in humanity, and nobody would do anything about it because "nothing matters, so you can do whatever you want because morality does not exist"
Do nihilists have a reason to live? Some of them do. So even if their beliefs conquered the world, it would just end up killing them.
personal note: I like to follow the rules of morality but I try not to get myself to carried away into people pleasing or white lies. I like to be honest. I still do care for my friends and this world around us, and I think following morality is something that pleases me. I like seeing others smile. despite a few agreements here and there with nihilism; i'm overwhelmingly catholic so that beats any existential dread from coming to me. i can follow any ideals, right? so what if things are useless, i can still care even if the universe doesn't
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PL9050
You say you believe in moral nihilism, but also say you are "overwhelmingly Catholic". To my knowledge, the Catholic Church explicitly teaches that moral nihilism is false. I question what lead you to agree with moral nihilism in the first place. God is pure goodness; He's not just "infinitely good", though He is. He is "good" itself*. Because of this, moral nihilism implies that God does not exist, for the nonexistence of goodness contradicts the existence of God. If you believe in God's existence, it is necessary you also believe in objective morality. This is a subject of discussion in St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa Contra Gentiles, though I have not come to fully understand the text.
*God is more than just the good.
Sorry, I didn't exactly mean it like that. I mean, I can understand some concepts but I don't really believe in it!
Late reply, I had school
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No worries. Reading back at my comment, the tone came off as more demanding than I intended it to be. Sorry for that. While I am a believer in Catholicism, I cannot in good conscience use the Church for an argument from authority. Believe what you believe to be true, even if some disagree. Just make sure you believe it honestly.
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martyr1
nihilism isnt an objective truth, it is the final stage of modernity; and its disconection from the divine order.
civilizations works in cycles : first they are centered around God, spirituality, and objective morality, then they deviate from that because of Man's sins, and fall in humanism, secularism and existientialism (which is just nihilism in denial), and the last stage of that decay is nihilism.
i do agree with you that subjective morality, based on feelings, emotions and cultural norms, is unstable and can contradicts the truth, thats why you have to make the distinction with objective morality, and you should understand as you mention being a catholic :
objective morality is the will of God, not Man's preferences; it is the embodiment of the divine natural order, while subjective morality is simply an ersatz to divine laws, trying to replace God's will with Man's desires.
you aknowledged that morality is needed for a healthy society.
the problem of modern Man is that instead of trying to raise himself to the truth, he drags truth down to his level.
existentialists will say that, as life has no meaning, they will cerate their own (which is just nihilism with cope), but this man-made purpose and moral will never replace the true natural order and primordial traditions.
the cure to nihilism (and existentialism) is reconnecting with the spiritual spine that is the Transcendant, as it is simply a result of Man cutting himself from the source of meaning.
true meaning and morality flows from the divine and the absolute.
ride the tiger
Yes, I agree. I had a point in time where I just spiraled after learning about nihilism lol
The blog makes it seem like I believe in it, but I'm really trying to put myself in the perspective of a nihilist sort of to better understand. :^)
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