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You know, for all the flack that men's rights activists get, I get the sentiment. You know, women's rights, everyone with a brain can get behind it. It's just human nature to feel more inclined to protect "the weaker one" despite both genders suffering due to sexism on both ends. Well, I'm tired of being seen as the pure innocent one who deserves to be protected due to my gender, I'm tired of men not being given the same love due to their gender because "they can take care of it themselves".
Men were oppressed in a way that forced them into dangerous labour and the frontlines of war, women were oppressed in a way that limited their rights to be independent and individual. Both genders suffer. Equally or not, it shouldn't be a competition but people treat it as such.
While I can't deny that a lot of "men's rights" activists are just incels that hate women, you still can't deny that the sentiment of caring about misandry and male-specific issues is just as important as caring about female-specific issues because it's human empathy.
All the people who have traumatized me throughout my childhood were men, misogyny was rampant in my old neighbourhood. I won't get into detail about it here but the last girl I vented to about it actually had to go vomit, so if that says anything, there you go. Yet here I am in support of men speaking out for themselves because I don't want the discrimination I've faced for an arbitrary trait to continue in ANY form.
I don't care how much "I deserve to get revenge", men are not some strong ever powerful monolith. Individually, they are just weak humans, just like women in many ways. By shunning men expressing how they feel because "it's a counterculture to feminism", you only hurt people.
You're reinforcing the very same social demands that make "alpha men" the type of men they are in the first place by making fun of men for "whining". You are no different than the "manly men" who make fun of other men for "being a pussy". You are part of the problem by throwing away human compassion because you think someone talking about issues that affect them is somehow "made to divert attention from the issues I'm facing". You may not get it, but if I started calling you a "b1tch" for talking about very valid concerns that affect you, you'd feel alone too. Men are just like women in that regard because we're all human.
People are people, I don't care how strong, big or mean. They are people.
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❥ antwke
thanks anachi very cool
Gabbi
This is actually a very interesting topic since it is still heavily debated upon on the internet! I sorta agree with you and I’ll bring something up.
A lot of people bring up Equity v Equality saying that true equality wont be fair for everyone and that equity is needed in order to truly level out the playing field. I agree with that, on paper, but the way it has played out in the world isn’t equity whatsoever. The way I see it is that there are many deeply hurt in their lives who seek their own sort of “justice” like what you’ve stated. Either that or incredibly young people who repeat what they see online without they themselves thinking if they even share the same opinion. Personal opinion, I don’t think that it’s equity. And I don’t think it’s fair.
There are some who say that whilst misogyny is an actual danger to women, misandry is merely an effect of misogyny and don’t do anything to harm men. But that’s quite a generalisation, and this furthers a divide that does not need to be placed. No change is made, we only dig ourselves a deeper hole in this battle with the only difference being that we have a gun. What I’m thinking is why even battle to begin with? There would always be people up in arms, but who’s to say we have to be a part of it?
I’ve stayed on the internet for so long until recently and almost all of my own friends share the same sentiment of anger, disgust, and sometimes even objectifying the few they’re okay with like s*xual items. (The normalisation of s*xualising men and making crude uncomfortable comments publicly with no backlash is another thing that I really don’t feel comfortable with.) But everyone is human. Some people would disagree and feel justified on furthering the divide, and you know what, that’s life I guess. Maybe I’m wrong in what I think! Maybe I’m not.
I wish we had the ability to like comments because I couldn't have worded this better myself
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I wish we had the ability to like comments because I couldn't have worded this better myself
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Nehiri
People can't seem to figure out the fact that you can't get "equality" by putting someone down and lifting someone else up above them. I've seen so many people think like this when it comes to sexism, racism and homophobia they think the right thing to do is being god awful to those in the majority and wanting those in the minority to stand above them and not beside them. It's not equality or right when you think someone should suffer just because you suffered, instead we should all equality not have to suffer.
piss dude -.-
ok but there dont need to be mens rigths tho cuz men allready have rigths over women. . . anyone who fites for "mens rigths" r misinformed at best and probly misognistic at worst. total gender equality, not mens rigths is wat needs to be fougth for
I understand what you mean and I can feel that, but gender equality still means equality, not favoritism. Men's rights isn't something to be fought for persay, more something that needs to be addressed and the issuesthey bring up are valid and should be approached with the same amount of care. And calling it "misinformed" is a bit much considering the effect sexism had on both genders.
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i'm not saying men have any less rights over women, I'm saying the issues that men's rights activists talk about are 100% valid and must be understood. To achieve full gender equality, fighting for the rights of one is not enough, the issue affecting the other should also be fixed.
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Oh sorry, one more thing, people like to misunderstand issues like this as some sort of battle, it shouldn't be this way. We shouldn't be competing with each other and making these sides and alliances when it comes to an issue like humanity. We need to start thinking about this as a matter of compassion. We are not war animals, we are not wolf packs, we are not driven by our innate instincts in this age but we somehow let it slip. That's what I disdain.
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Calipurr 🇻🇪🕊️
i genuinely love it when women stand up for men's rights cause yes its not only women who get the criticism
you wont believe how many women and even some of my female FRIENDS hate on men and actually just end up with "all men bad" or something like
i dont even think they ever met one, or like even think of men's struggles of being forced into war
thinking all of them are strong but in reality people can be different
not all men embrace masculinity and neither do women embrace femininity
I'm so happy I've being understood here :')
But yeah! Especially since in some cases, women were also responsible for reinforcing toxic masculinity. Not to say women are the ones who solely started it, that's still unknown but women aren't exempt from taking accountability for sexism too.
For example, the 'white feather movement' in Britain during the First World War, in which women gave white feathers to non-enlisting men symbolizing cowardice and shaming them into signing up. This is also sexism.
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Oh I knew about sexism in war related situations but not about the white feathers movements
That's actually really depressing to hear
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Yeah, it was actually even worse because it was a movement done by not just women appointed by the government but regular civillian women too. It's because the government presented the enemy countries' people as "s3xual deviants" hence women becoming frightened into shaming men into protecting them.
And so the racism, turned into sexism. As a result of women with no proper knowledge of the military participating, it's resulted in even soldiers on leave, soldiers disabled by war and even a man on his way to receive a military award getting the white feather. Eventually, they started harassing literal children. Teenage boys going home from school. It wasn't just silently handing them a feather either, it was poking their chests with the feather in an attempt to pin it to their clothes and verbally mocking them. Yeah... many children were traumatized
I see a lot of people try to present the movement as feminist. It was not feminist, if anything it was very fascist and sexist. It sucked for the women because of mass paranoia, it sucked for men due to endless harassment.
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