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Some of you should commit more to the "old web revival", and ditch modern social media

This is a blog post about a trend I've seen take place here on Spacehey.

I've browsed many blogs and profiles, and noticed that a good amount of users bring up wanting to "bring back the old web" as part of their reasons to be on this site. That's obviously good in itself... But, how many of these people just use a copy and pasted  layout that hasn't been modified, because they can't be bother to learn how to? And how many of them don't actively browse the platform, and don't want to spend time reading other people's blog posts? How many of them have, somewhere in their profile, something that reads "I don't use this app much, follow me on [mainstream social media app]"?

Now, this is not a callout post, nor it is a blog complaining about Spacehey as a platform: I love this site, and I'm not bothered by the portion of the userbase in question. This is a "free yourself from the shackles of the corporate web" post. This is intended to help those users. Most of them are very young, some even below 15. Others are a bit older, but started using the web only somewhat relcently. And I think that's part of the reason why they are so lost on what the "old web revival" looks like: not only they did not get to experience the "old web", but they didn't even get a glimpse of it.

I was born in 2004. So I was not online during what most users regard as the "golden age" of the web. However, the web when I first started browsing it still was, at large, very similar to the one of the previous decade. There still were plenty of independent sites in the top search results, forums were the main source of information on many topics (and with "forums" I don't mean exclusively Reddit, like it is now), and Flash was.. still alive. However, I have to also mention that my experience was different than most of my peers. See, where on the web you ended up also depended on why you were on the web, and my "why" was fandom. And fandom led me to some very niche places that used to still run on the type of structures and communities that characterized the old web. It admittedly also lead me to some pretty weird places, but that's a story for another day.
All this to say, that although I did not experience the authentic "old web", I was still on the web at a time and place were it was pretty damn close in spirit. And I want more people to have a chance to experience it.

I've noticed a significant shift in the web in, let's say, the past 5-7 years. The internet quickly became more centralized and less user-focused. I think Covid and the consequencial lockdown quickened a process that was already in motion: companies massively changing the landscape of the web to make it more monetizable. There are several major events that led us to where we are now: Google further solidifing itself as the main search engine, Facebook becoming Meta and buying Instagram, Elon Musk buying Twitter (I refuse to call it X lol), Musically dying and being rebirthed into Tiktok,  Reddit selling out ot Google, Generative AIs like ChatGPT becoming available to the public. I will not go into detail about how each of these events negatively impacted the web, but they are at large responsible for how the surface web is today.
The internet landscape looked vastly different just 5-7 years ago, which means most kids nowsays willl have only experienced the post-Covid web.

And these changes in the main platforms of the web lead to changes in the attitudes of the users. I'm being so earnest when I say this: social medias are not good for you. See, this is a sentiment that I violently opposed in my early teenage years. And, for the record, I did not change my mind just because I'm older now: I still think that social medias at large were, back then, mostly a positive element in people's lives. See, there was a lot of harmful content on the internet (the infamous ProAna community on Tumblr, for example). But this content existed despite the platforms: the companies main fault was simply not moderating it well enough. Nowdays, however, the negative aspects of social media exist because of the patforms, by design. Think about apps constantly trying to get your attention to keep you on them as long as possible. Tiktok (and before it, musically) unfortunately made the discovery that the combination of short videos and an infinite "for you" feed worked incredibly well to retain user attention. What happened after Tiktok surged in popularity? Almost every other social media implemented a similar feature. YouTube launched youtube shorts, Instagram came up with Instagram reels, and Twitter, Facebook, and even Tumblr tried to replicate a similar feed where you can scroll through endles short videos. None of these apps had a real reason to do this, if not purely to try to retain user attention for longer, and this is a perfect example of a new feature that does not serve the user. I don't what every single app to be a "short videos" app. It's what I call the "tiktokification": a process that, ironically, TikTok is not at fault for, consisting in every other social network attempting to copy their success. 

The case of the enshittification of Instagram is one I'm particularly familiar with. Instagram used to be entirely focused around photo-sharing until a couple of years ago, and it was a great way for artists like me to display their work. It was one of the apps I had been on the longest, until I quit it a couple of months ago. Back in the day, the Instagram main feed was made up exclusively of people you were following. The only way to find new users would be to scroll through the hashtags (which displayed posts in chronological order), or to check out someone a friend had tagged in their post. At this time, Instagram was used mostly to follow people you already knew, or to find users with similar interests through hastags. At some point, a feed showing popular posts from random users in the "search" tab was added. It was a good addition in itself, but with it also came the first real algorithm. Users could now browse posts tailores to their taste to find out new accounts, but most of them still spent the majority of the time on the home feed. After that, a series of changes altered the landscape of the platform completely. The "home" feed, which showed followed accounts, started ordering posts in popularity rather than chronological order: now the feed was mostly made out of posts form influencers and other popular accounts, not people you actually knew. Then, Instagram Reels, the new format of content mimicking Tiktok videos, launched. And it was... Underwhelming. It was not a bad launch per se, but it was not decisive either. I cannot stress this enough: there was no actual demand for Instagram reels at the time, and their success was totally manufactured by Instagram management, who believed they would be more profitable than the classic posts.
To aid reels in becoming more popular, instagram completely removed the "recent" tab from the hashtags, which now showed esclusively popular posts. Users had seen the interactions on their posts being artificially cut down by these changes in the app: with both the home feed and hashtags now ordering posts by popularity, there was no way at all to see recently posted pictures. This meant that, for your average user, the only way to have any sort of interaction with others was to post on Instagram reels. And this had an interesting effect: a new massive body of users that did not post at all. After all why would you post, if noone would see what you shared? Those who posted because they enjoyed sharing pictures slowly stopped, and those who posted for the numbers started making Instagram reels. This phenomenon of a large portion of users not actually "using" the platform is not unique to instagram: many people nowdays treat social media like something to consume. They use the platform passively, like how one would use a tv or a radio, rather than actively sharing their stuff and genuinely interacting with others. And I think this attitude definetly seeped into Spacehey, as I keep getting more and more friend requests from users with no blog entires.

On that note, actively sharing something on the platform does not necessarily imply genuinely interacting with other users. This is what I typically refer to as "posting for numbers": people that make content to see the number of likes/kudos/comments/whatever go up rather than to genuinely share their ideas with others and form community. Now, do not get this twisted: this type of mentality is as old as social networks themselves, not really a product of modern social media. However, I find it way more pervasive nowdays. Almost any platform has countless tutorials on how to get as much engagement as possible on it: what hashtags to use, what are the trending topics to talk about, what thumbnails and titles to use on youtube, how to make tiktoks that catch the user attention and do well in the algorithm, etc. It's honestly exhausting. I understand that there is a place for this sort of things, and that there are small businesses which rely on social media for their sales. But let's not kid ourselves: most people following this advice are just regular users.
Here's the thing: you are not a brand. You don't have to make yourself marketable or appealing to others. Be authentic. Do not treat yourself like a product.

Mainstream social media platforms nowadays are littered with content farms,  advertisements (often undisclosed), and rage-bait content. They are often lacking when it comes to moderation, and do not have the user's best interest in mind. Many of them are also in the hands of tech monopolies or tech oligarchs, including (but not limited to): Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Youtube, and Twitter.
Awareness of the flaws of mainstream platforms, along with knowledge of the downsides of a centralized and commericalized web, are at the center of the web revival movement. It is not a movement born out of nostalgia or aesthetics alone.

So, if you have made it this far, and want to truly take part in the old web revival, what should you do? First off: reduce your presence on mainstream social media platforms. You don't have to quit them altogether if you do not feel ready, but at least don't make them your "main" presence on the web Join forums (I've currently been using Melonland, but there are many to choose from) that match your interests, support independent sites like Spacehey (either through donations or word-of-mouth). Actually get involved with other users by joining groups, or by contributing to zines or other initiatives.
And, if you really want to commit to old web revival and to the indieweb, you should make your own website
The only reason why I'm bringing it up only now is that, unlike the rest of the things I've listed, this will actually require effort and a significant time investment. This does not mean that making a website is inaccessible, however! Learning is fairly easy, and you can make a website completely for free if you have access to a PC. There are many easy-to-use free website-hosting services, like Neocities (the one I use!) and Nekoweb, and plenty of tutorials out there.

This is only scratching the surface of everything I dislike about the corporate web and everything I like about the indieweb... and it's already my longest blog entry to date! So thank you for reading this far.
If this made you rethink your position on the modern web.. for one, I'm glad!!! It's what I was hoping for when writing this. If you want somewhere to keep reading about this stuff, I recommend "Intro to the Web Revival #1: What is the Web Revival?" by Melon. It's a great place to start, and it will also point you to an introduction to websites and how to make your own!
As per usual let me know what you think! ^_^


   


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Jello_01000101

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Yes i totally agree, i miss when going on the internet was a totally different world from real life, where everything you did was customisable and fun. Now its all trying to sell you a product. You are 100 percent riight that people should start making their own websites, even if its just a basic webpage every one should have their own space on the internet.


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MAZ

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I have read this and then spent an hour and half on that melon site because it was so fascinating


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omg you literally phrased so well how i feel, nothing to add.

and i have noticed that a few people being like "bring the old web back!" freak out bc spacehey got shut down for a moment or gets laggy. like, i thought u wanted the old web back, oh no wait u just thought it would be an aesthetic trend on social media well the u r very far from supporting being on the old web trust me

and actually its real and not only on tiktok, bc tiktok is an easy target but there is also insta and ytb, etc. i see more n more ppl like "bring back the old web" or "living like the *insert decade*" but not even living it at its fullest - just showing 2-3 things to get numbers and numbers on ppl's nostalgia, not even doing researches, not documenting themselves on those eras, not living the experience to its fullest. and even for some people its "nostalgia", which is also the case for me bc i never got in the golden age of myspace n customized blogs/forums/sites etc, but i wanna try to turn myself to those kind of social medias, bc i just cant with modern social media way of being anymore, it is not for me.

and im planning to go even more far : i stopped using online streaming devices (i actually started years ago when i started buying cds and vinyls, now i got a whole shelf lol) but i mean ill listen more to my lil mp3, and im currently looking for a discman, to bring it with me when i can. ofc i am gonna keep my hacked spotify on my phone, we never know, but i am still getting sick of music streaming devices, i just dont know what to listen to and just scroll. its just a loop. same with games and dvds, i am gonna try to play more games on my old consoles bc playing on a cloud is such a pain in the ass... at least for me. and at least if one day the servers shut down, i wont be dissapointed... and for movies, i am gonna try to buy movies i enjoy watching on dvds instead of paying idk how fuckin much to even have ads after that, for now i have free streaming devices like soap2day but i wanna start a lil dvd collections w movies i enjoy


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jojo

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cool post. im in some smallnet communities and have my own personal website. I dont use social media very much and mainly visit random places on the internet and watch youtube videos.


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Finley_Is_Here_Xd

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For the making websites part, nekoweb is a good place to start!!!! The text editor on site is amazing and there's a small but TIGHT community there, and honestly i LOVE being on nekoweb <3333


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Xibalba

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Thank you, its fucking exhausting by now how samey modern social media is and how pretty much every modern platform is the same. Same corporate sterilization, same algorhythms, same everything. Heck I am glad Facebook is crashing and burning with its infestation of bots and becoming more user unfriendly with every passing week. I don't use anything anymore besides discord just to speak to my friends because everything is the same today.


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notethanhobbes

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Great rant. Social media is so homogenized and depressing it honestly baffles me how people consistently use it.


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Reels being included in more and more online platforms was the entire reason I was able to snap out of my use of mainstream social media ...


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OwlLipgloss

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Say it louder for the people in the back.

I've ditched a lot of social media, not only because of the massive amounts of slop I've experienced, but because I've realized how much it has been impacting my mental health. While I still watch whatever on YouTube, I've been resorting to looking for older videos, mostly stuff before somewhere around 2015. There's a charm to YouTube videos from before the 2010s that have such an odd charm to them, including the ones that have less than 1k views and going back to stuff I have not seen in years.

I wasn't at that age to really experience MySpace at its golden age, so I'm glad to have stuff like SpaceHey to really experience that kind of thing I missed while I was things like Club Penguin and WolfHome. Nothing just feels all that fun anymore. Maybe seeing how things have gotten more flat just reminds me of the industrial hellscape America is with bland buildings and less individuality to a bunch of stores that aren't big corporate bosses like Walmart. Everything just seems to be about money.

I also just generally need to be more active on here, I just haven't had the motivation to do so... I have a naturalist group I need to do more with. And forgetting a lot of what I've learned about coding and making websites other than some things I remember is why I have difficulties even creating something like a Neocities.


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n00b

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Sadly a lot of these accounts feel samey and are just joining rather than actually caring about the era


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Rink

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GOOGLE BOUGHT REDDIT?


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nope, i had to fact-check this too. i didn't believe it at all lol.

by notethanhobbes; ; Report

What I meant is buying out! English isn't my first language and I get confused sometimes LOL.
I was specifically referring to the AI training agreement from last year

by Kie; ; Report

I'll correct the post when I'm not on mobile :-)

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避寒 ☆ Bi-Han

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This is so spot on. I miss when chronological feeds were the norm, especially on Instagram because it was such a good way to stay up to date with friends and it actually forced you to log off eventually because there would just be nothing else to see once you'd caught up. Instagram, Musical.ly, and Twitter used to be my main socials and watching them all turn into these alt right, money hungry hellscapes is torture ;-;


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foulifouli

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Thank you for this.

I personally did not experience the "golden age" of the web but I still recall the time when visiting the web felt like an experience. I was an avid fan of what I will call the golden age of minecraft youtube (Stampylongnose, Iballisticsquid, DanTDM etc...) and youtube during that time felt like adventure. I tried going back to rewatch some of their old posts for nostalgic purposes and found my attention span had dwindled like mad. It's hard to believe I can better recall obscure youtube videos I used to watch as a kid then tiktok videos, instagram reels... I saw yesterday night. At the expense of sounding like a boomer or a conspiracy theorist, he current state of the internet is eating away at our brains.

Will be taking your advice, and kudos on this post!


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✘noctifer✘

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I did take the time to read this, and would like to say—thank you for taking the time to write it! While I do hang on to social media in order to promote certain things and to maintain friendships, I agree about the hatefarming and ragebaiting, and the overall toxicity of it.

Do you have any advice on someone looking to have meaningful online text conversations with people? I am trying very much to use Spacehey to do that but have not had the best of luck just yet in forming long-lasting online friendships.


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I think an essential component of building friendships online is repeated interaction.
It's hard to keep up a text chat conversation with someone you barely know. Usually when someone who just followed me sends me a private massage the conversation ends pretty quickly.
The users I'm friends with are typically people that have interracted with me multiple times throughout a longer span of time. Maybe we have a short chat occasionally, maybe they comment something on my bulletin, maybe I leave a comment on their blog post, etc.
In a way meeting people online is very much like getting to know a neighbour. You get to know them little by little with short interactions.
Another thing that helps is to get involved in community projects. Stuff like zines, videogame jams, or online events like Artfight. Anything where you might have to collaborate with other users helps foster frienships!
This is just my experience though ^_^ and I'm admittedly pretty bad at socializing in general

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Sure, it does make sense. And honestly, I don't blame people, especially when socializing can be hard or awkward. I try and make sure someone feels comfortable and not to pressure them to talk in any way.

Actually, that's one of the reasons I wish groups and forums on Spacehey were more popular, because I think when you have topics to collab and bond over, it makes it easier to get to know one another and feel like there is something to talk about.

by ✘noctifer✘; ; Report

agreed!

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marcell

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honestly i lowkey agree


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sweetheart

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how much is 4×2? ATEEEE!

ok now seriously, you said everything!!! could read all cuz i was too lazy but the first 6 paragraphs are more than enough to express most of our dislike towards this new aesthetic, you're the only one i saw describing this issue so objectively!!! /lh /srs <3 <3 <3 <3


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Syaoran

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BASED BASED BASED, I also feel that another element present in people's mindset is that there are no more creative blogs/forums nowadays except for like this website and maybeee neocities. WHICH IS UNTRUE, GOOD STUFF IS STILL ON THE WEB YOU JUST GOTTA SEARCH FOR IT!!!. And if you don't find it, guess what? you can make it yourself! Make in the web that which you wanna see. ALso I hate insta reels im so addicted to them its like snorting coke but i think cokeheads at least get pleasure from it


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as a sidenote i'd recommend either trying to learn another language or using a translator and browsing webs from other countries, chinese web goes hard i love asian web design

by Syaoran; ; Report

That's a good point! I've seen a lot of people with that mindset and it's sad to see. There is so much cool stuff online when you don't stop at the very tip of the iceberg ^_^

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Syaoran

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BASED BASED BASED, I also feel that another element present in people's mindset is that there are no more creative blogs/forums nowadays except for like this website and maybeee neocities. WHICH IS UNTRUE, GOOD STUFF IS STILL ON THE WEB YOU JUST GOTTA SEARCH FOR IT!!!. And if you don't find it, guess what? you can make it yourself! Make in the web that which you wanna see. ALso I hate insta reels im so addicted to them its like snorting coke but i think cokeheads at least get pleasure from it


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Dreamarachnid

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I think a lot of the reason people who are genuinely interested in the old-web revival have copy-and-pasted profiles is just because the revival is still relatively underground, and for that reason, still bringing in a lot of newcomers. Learning to code takes time, dedication, and practice that a lot of people just don't have (or they are practicing, but they are not yet at the point of coding their own profile from scratch). I know personally, I'm very in favor of the old-web revival, but as I'm trying to cut my screen time generally, as well as stay active in my irl community, learning to code just isn't on my priority list right now. This also doesn't equate to not-actually being into the revival, just that I'm never going to be someone actively pushing the revival, if that makes sense? I guess my interest in it comes generally from being pro-DIY, pro-indie, pro-underground, but since I am so active in upholding the DIY lifestyle irl, I just don't have the time / energy to break into that scene online. At least, not past lurking on spacehey and neocities.

I also love what you have to say about Instagram! I really miss the old version. That was the first social media I was on, and while it did begin my very long and damaging addictive relationship with social media, it was so fucking fun back in the day! I made so many friends, found so many great fandom spaces, and learned about so much cool art on that site! Now it's just one continuous ad.


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I don't think I've explained my position on premade layouts well.
I think using layouts is fine, but I also think adding to them is important. A big part of the Web Revival is pushing for individuality, and taking back agency by learning how to freely express yourself online.
I don't think people need to learn to code a layout from scratch. Just changing the background and adding a couple of images is enough for me to make a profile "personal", and how to do those things can be figured out with just an internet search. Unfortunately I've seen many users that don't even try that much, often because they don't believe they would be able to. So many people, after having spent years using platforms and services where everything is one click away, are not confident in their abilities to "figure stuff out". And taking that power back by committing to learning how to do something, no matter how small, is for many an essential piece of the web revival movement!
It all leads back to the concept of convenience culture, which is something that the web revival foundamentally opposes! ^_^

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I see, thank you for elaborating!

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Teya

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Even though I'm younger, I totally agree with you! I've always hated social media and the only one I use is YouTube (for courses, tutorials, or other subjects that I'm looking for) so I love Spacehey and it's my main social media. Unfortunately Idk how to code bc I don't have time to really learn, but I always try to modify the layouts I use so that mine is unique, hehe ^^ I want to create my site with NeoCities, but I'm waiting for the summer holidays bc I really don't have the time :( But anyway, thanks for writing this! I hope this will encourage other SpaceHey users!!


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