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(CW: MENTIONS OF PEDOPHILIA, NECROPHILIA, SEXUAL ASSAULT, SHOOTINGS, PSYCH WARDS AND MENTAL ILLNESS. IF YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THOSE TOPICS, PLEASE CLICK OFF NOW)
(moved to "News and Politics" due to controversial opinions that might spark debate)
Idc if this is a "nothing burger" of an issue, I'm going to rant about it because I want to.
Literally saw this post on the "recent blogs" page saying that the "let's not kill all pedophiles" guy (who I will call OP) was "trying to excuse necrophilia and pedophilia by labeling it as a mental illness" or whatever tf they said (had to unblock them just so I could read their shitty take and my monitor broke and I'm using a boombox to make this post, can't read shit cause it's blurry asf)
The thing is, I actually read the original post this was talking about, and that was NOT what OP was saying at all.
They were calling out the very obvious issue with people with paraphilias and paraphilic disorders being stigmatised and being denied help just because what they were going through was "disgusting" or "taboo", and then people being shocked when the paraphiliac in question ends up acting out due to these untreated mental health issues getting worse due to the lack of help thy were receiving, and as someone who went through similar stigma due to my BPD and later on developing fantasies about being assaulted due to the poor treatment i received causing me to quit recovery all together (ultimately making my mental health worse), I say that OP was absolutely in the right to make that post, and the people who are complaining about that post are the exact reason why this is such an issue.
Unfortunately, stigma surrounding a lot of mental health issues that are considered "bad", "disgusting", evil" etc. can lead to the person not being able to receive help (or the proper kind of help they need, which was my case), and untreated or poorly treated mental health issues can lead to some very negative consequences, such as someone acting upon urges they cannot control and hurting either themselves or other people. It's why things like the Columbine shooting happened; the shooter had untreated mental health issues and people ignored the very obvious warning signs of that mental decline untill that shooting happened.
People really wanna act like "mental health matters" until the person in question doesn't just have tiktokified depression or anxiety, and they don't want to treat those mental health issues that are "bad" until it gets to a point beyond recovery and something horrific happens because of that. It's like they're asking for mentally ill people to get worse and do fucked up shit at that point, which is a stoop so low that it could make even the least empathetic feel disgusted.
And the person that motivated me to make this post knows this, OP said it themselves, but you wanna know what they had to say in response to the stigma and it consequences?
"So Kanye being an antisemite, racist, homophobe, sexist is okay right then? because it effects me in a way i dont like, but because I may not like it thats creating more stigma around people with BPD right? do you understand the fucking slippery slope this goes down? Of course you dont because youre too busy pandering to weird online fucks for spacehey kudos."
I don't even know how to fucking respond to that..
First off, you're assuming that when we call out the very obvious stigma that comes with being mentally ill that we're excusing the actions that are done due to the illness getting worse, which as I stated earlier, WAS NOT THE INTENT OF THAT POST YOU FUCKING BRAIN DEAD DINGBAT.
OP said themselves that just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean that harming others is okay, and they should be hold accountable as needed. There is no further need to clarify on that, there are no exceptions.
That it is literally the point of getting help in this case; to prevent a mentally ill person from harming someone else, and to possibly treat the illness that is causing these unwanted urges to pop up.
The whole "mental illness is just an excuse" bullshit is a stigma that has been pushed onto us for YEARS now, and it completely ignores how neurotypicals are just as capable (if not more than capable) of abuse as a mentally ill person.
But it especially ignores how people who develop "bad" disorders are often victims of abuse themselves, often at a young age, and get this: NOT ALL TRAUMA RESPONSES ARE THE SAME.
But no, apparently only mentally ill people are capable of any abuse and neurotypicals are these sweet little angels who can't do anything wrong! am I right guys???? /sarc
Second off, I'm gonna say what nobody else is willing to say: I'm pretty sure the whole "kanye west is a nazi" thing is like 99% ragebait, so you're basically comparing mentally ill people's struggles to ragebait that you fell for on twitter. Lmao and i thought I was bad at social cues.
Third off, you're assuming that any sort of serious discussions about mental health online are purely for clout, which has the the worst thing that's come out of your fucking mouth.
Nobody talks about what they've gone through purely for clout, and it's incredibly insensitive for you to fucking say that. I don't get a lot of notes on tumblr anytime I talk about my mental health issues, and I don't care for that, because while it is nice, it's not for the notes, it's because I need a fucking outlet and don't have other options.
In OP's case, they wanted to speak about a real issue that has been hurting people for a long time and one that nobody seems to give a damn about fixing. Those people being assholes like you.
I say that because the whole post, you're nonstop talking about "oh, just get help instead of talking about it on spacehey!" AS IF THAT'S NOT WHAT OP WAS TALKING ABOUT IN THAT FUCKING POST.
They would've gotten help HAD THE STIGMA NOT BEEN THERE REGARDING THEIR ISSUES. But apparently gen alpha aren't the only generation who don't know how to fucking read, YOU EVEN MENTIONED WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THAT TOO, ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB???
That's exactly like whenever I told my therapists about any of my issues, they always said "JuSt UsE cOpInG MeChAnIsMs!!!", like that shit does NOT help at all, especially since I TRIED and it didn't fucking work.
Also, did we forget how fucking EXPENSIVE therapy is and how not everyone can get insurance, or how for some of us you literally have to drive HOURS just to get to therapy? like god damn, how out of touch can you be you fucking weirdo??
And another thing: the fact that you bring up how OP mentioned how they were a paraphiliac themselves and use that as "proof" that they're trying to "normalize" it kinda amuses me.
OP mentioned having necrophilia as a way to provide further context and to share what it's like having a paraphilia firsthand. The fact that you automatically assumed that just because they have a paraphilia themselves means it makes them think that it's okay to hurt people not only sounds ableist as fuck but also sounds incredibly fucking stupid when you say it out loud.
That would be like assuming that just because I have BPD means I think it's okay to cut people out of my life at random with no warning. I know it's wrong, it's why I tried to get help in the first place; so that I could learn to stop and actually try to build healthy relationships with people. I know I'm hurting the people around me whenever I do it, and I often find myself feeling guilty afterwards. I'm sure OP feels the same way anytime their necrophilia causes harm to other people, and that's why they brought up how important getting help was in the FIRST PLACE.
But of course, you don't care about that, because you're more worried about only helping the "pretty" mental illnesses and not actually allowing people to get the help they need when they need it. If anyone here should be getting off of spacehey, it's you.
Go back to fucking tiktok or something you virtue signaling asshole.
PS, the absolute gall you have to link resources that don't have any correlation with what OP was talking about on your blog post to try and "not sound like a hypocrite" yet getting all pissy at OP for calling out how awful our mental health system is makes you look more like a goddamn hypocrite than you already are. People like you are the reason OP made that post in the first place. Seriously, my therapists could virtue signal better than that.
Sorry about the long rant, but I am so fucking sick of tiktok bitches being all like "mEnTaL hEaLtH mAtTeRs!!!" until it's not the watered down and heavily romanticized version of depression or anxiety and it's an actual mental illness that affects other people if left untreated. I swear everyone who talks about mental health on that app is a god damn hypocrite and I'm not even gonna sugar coat it.
Shit like that was the reason I gave up on recovery entirely; The minute people figured out I didn't just have suicidal thoughts, people refused to help me. Therapists tried to gaslight me into going back to outpatient (Spoiler alert: it only made me feel worse), I was told that every little thing that happened to me was my fault, and when I had to be admitted to the fucking psych ward I was stippe of my humanity. I also do not have the money to pay for insurance, so what's even the point if I'm just wasting my money on a bi-weekly therapy session I'll forget about anyways?
Unless you are actually willing to listen to all mental health experiences and get everyone the help they need, do not pull this "mental health matters" bullshit, especially if you're a therapist or someone who's well educated about mental health. (like the person who made the post that motivated me to make this post claims to be, which I doubt heavily considering they don't actually know how paraphilic disorders (or any sort of intrusive thoughts for that matter) even work)
I just know damn well that asshole's gonna make a post about me, to that I say: Don't even bother, you're just gonna start fights over something you should've done research on beforehand, and none of us are in the mood to fight with literal strangers online over someone being a genuine dumbass.
How about instead of trying to defend literal ableism, maybe actually do something more meaningful with your life, perhaps? Like idk, get a hobby or something?
(actually that reminds me, I need to work on sewing patches on my jacket, been putting it off for a while)
Anyway, I won't be posting pics for a while because my camera is having issues with connecting to my computer, and my phone is ass with the camera quality. Hopefully I should get to posting soon! (I'm currently working on a post talking about why I hate tiktok)
See ya nerds >:p
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supakillzonexD
had to reread because the intro had me a bit confused, but i completely agree. i've been thinking the same thing as op, but i've never said anything about it because I feared people would misinterpret it (as that other person did) as trying to "excuse" pedophilic behavior. i absolutely despise the way tiktok has changed how mental health is view (for the worse) because it's "mental health matters!!" but then there's this weird amalgamation of people who will excuse people's terrible actions because they have autism or adhd or some other mental illness. in the case that someone does something wrong and it *is* directly related to their mental illness, it still only serves as an explanation for what they did, and doesn't excuse their actions. it's still wrong, and their mental illness won't make it less wrong. and like you said, they'll confuse calling out this stigma as trying to use mental illness as an excuse for being shitty. like, no!!! the point of out the stigma is so that there is an increased awareness of the issue of mental illness, so people are more inclined to get help with their issues. and i feel that even therapists or future therapists have this issue too, which is why there are so many terrible therapists out there. i feel like my comment is a bit disorganized because i'm also kind of ranting a bit but i hope this is comprehensible.
THIS! THIS ENTIRE COMMENT! AL THE WAY!
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
*ALL
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
YES!! U GET ME
by supakillzonexD; ; Report
^^friend of grandpa^^
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. btw isn't it absolutely insane that the person's account got banned?!?! the mods literally just saw someone being like "hey, lets not demonize people just cause they have taboo disorders", and they thought "absolutely not, ban this person's entire account.
I have a feeling that some fucking trolls mass reported their account to try to get OP banned cause they got offended by OP calling out a legitimate issue. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case lmao
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
They did get mass reported almost everyday, but we closed the reports as we saw nothing wrong with the post. But then after awhile An banned the user for having a problematic username. We usually don't question whatever he decides on.
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Damn.
Honestly if people just ignored OPs post and/or blocked them instead of being a massive douchebag to everyone whoever remotely agrees with their post, this drama wouldn't have happened in the first place. And unfortunately shit like this is common on the internet, has been since fucking 2020.
Istg the pandemic melted everyone's brains to get to where we are now, and I especially blame tiktok for further aggravating this problem to the point it's fucking unbearable.
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
ikr, I feel like people join spacehey to get away from internet drama, but they decide to perpetuate it anyway cause they dont know how to actually use the internet without being douchbags anymore. Theres literally new drama every other week on here.
by ^^friend of grandpa^^; ; Report
THIS!
the only reason I'm on tktok anymore is because that AHITHOLE of an app gave me an addiction that I can't break out of unless it gets banned or I go cold turkey on the internet all together (which I tried btw, but eventually gave up after a week)
I'm in fucking hell man :(
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Big_22
While these are mental illnesses, this should not excuse people acting up on this behavior. As a child, it MIGHT be excusable as they do not fully comprehend what this is. Though as an adult, you should know better morally and legally. I think we should stop the stigma but we should not encourage people to act up on these feelings and urges. Getting treatment is a great thing and I believe it should be more televized to make people more aware of the option(s) to get help
(sorry if there's any spelling mistakes it's 2 am)
I and OP wholeheartedly agree, and even OP said that themselves in their original post
But everyone completely disregarded that and just assumed "oh, mental illness is just a stupid excuse to justify felonies!!!!" and basically proved OP's point. it's fucking pathetic if you asked me.
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
matildenet
As a person with p-ocd: thank you. The people under the post of OP scared the shit out of me.
+ a person named Cupid has made a blog recently talking again about that blog, and again is absolutely terrifying.
by matildenet; ; Report
Cupid was the asshole that motivated me to make this post, I know who you're talking about.
Damn, and I thought I had it bad enough with internet addiction lol
Damn, she's THAT upset over a single post made MONTHS ago?
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
The thing is their post is in the top blogs and I swear someone should take it down honestly, it’s just hate speech at this point
by matildenet; ; Report
Actually more than hate speech it’s literally spreading misinformation
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DeliciousLastCourse
This was such a good take that I made an account just to comment on how great of a take this was :)
I too have mental illnesses that give me the urge to hurt others, nothing as serious as paraphilia though. So when I see "mental health activists" cringe at me in disgust, it's an isolating feeling.
Addendum if I may; the idea that the responder pushed, that if you have a paraphillia you have to spend everysingle second of your life trying to get rid of it and that you can't have hobbies such as social media is crazy ableist I don't even know where to start. Empath type shit.
by DeliciousLastCourse; ; Report
EXACTLY!
I literally got called "abusive" because I called out my friends on Tumblr for blatantly ignoring me for several days on end and then calling the cops on me the minute something related to my disorder came up (it wasn't anything violent fyi, just expressed sexual intrusive thoughts I've been having and my inceldom that's been bugging me for AGES)
Yet my online "friends" on tiktok, who have abused me for years by using my disorders and autism to THEIR advantage by enabling and encouraging genuinely shitty behavior that keeps me up at night to this day, then turning around and treating me like shit afterwards and leaving once I became a monster...
they never got a SINGLE repercussion, and I'm left to try and recover from all of that on my own. And it's awful.
Like I said in my post: people really need to remember that not all abusers are mentally ill (infact often times mentally ill people are victims of abuse and it just goes unnoticed because people only care when a neurotypical is hurt, which is fucked up imo)
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
I'm so sorry that happened to you :( People tend to see us like animals in a cage rather than people, unless if our mental illness is this cutesy "I sometimes don't eat cause I'm sad" type thing
by DeliciousLastCourse; ; Report
Also wanna say;
Your post: 109 kudos
Their post: 49
Life is good :)
by DeliciousLastCourse; ; Report
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by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Johnstonboii
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!!! It's really enraging how people advocate for mental illness until it's one that isn't just 'noooo muh lil sad boi/gurl :(((('
And also sort of off topic this sentence quote stuck out to me; "The whole 'mental illness is an excuse' bullshit is a stigma that has been pushed onto us for YEARS now, and it completely ignores how neurotypicals are just as capable (if not more than capable) of abuse as a mentally ill person."
Because people always assume abusers are mentally ill in some form, but they could just be shitty people who like hurting others?? And people also labelling abusers as 'narcissists' demonize NPD a lot of the time. Why can't we just call abusers what they are instead of giving them a new name to go by every 5-10 years??
EXACTLY! Like people forget that not every single abusive person has a mental illness, and it's the fucking reason why a lot of neurotypical abusers get away with their shit, meanwhile us mentally ill people are punished for something beyond our control (that's what I was talking about when I mentioned the whole "mental illness is an excuse" thing)
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Confetti boy
THANK you
Rusty
i mostly agree with you! it was so insane to see some comments on the blog calling the OP "a corpse fucker" CUZ OF THEIR PARAPHILIA?? if you hear that someone is a necrophile and you instantly assume theyve done an actual horrible crime i dont want you near me.. imagine if someone was calling a person with DID a serial killer cuz theyre portrayed like that on media (cough like on the movie split coughh) or something
spacey
you're so real for this. it's like mental health matters until you're mentally ill.
maoel
This some good bruger.
Love spacehey drama, youre totally in the right.
szabszabzzzz
i totally agree 👍
Alexander
Not really gonna comment on the rant part since I pretty much agree. There's a lot of "tiktok-ification" of mental illness and mental disorders going around. Tons of buzzwords too. I hate the words "neurotypical" and "neurodivergent" because it doesn't explain anything. Everyone is "neurodivergent" because no two people think the same. Just simply say you have autism/ADHD/schizophrenia/etc etc... but I didn't care for the snippet about Columbine. It seems to imply that they could've been "saved" and then wouldn't have done what they did- but that's just not true. His Harris' journal he states that no matter what would've happened, the attack likely still would've occurred- Klebold stated the same in their videotapes. Their motive is inconclusive and there's still a lot of speculation about many things (such as their belief of feeling rejected and bullied, despite claims that say otherwise).
sex805machine
Awesome rant thanks for sharing lmao, my wife has bpd and its been so... I don't even know, beautiful? Watching her get better over years. I'm so impressed with her strength and resillence like every day cause that shit is brutal. I hope you're getting all the help you need.
Totally get where you're coming from with this like killing people who deserve to die only stops one person from causing harm. Learning how to help the people who cause harm stops all of them. Its just basic humanitarianism. Every pedophile who's assaulted a minor deserves to be rounded up and shot. But that won't cure pedophilia and it won't prevent more pedophiles doing horrible things in the future. These people should be studied, helped and understood so that they can start work towards a cure. I feel like a lot of people are scared of that idea so its cool to see someone share it online.
Same thing with like narcissists. They have a serious mental illness that makes them cause harm to othere and often live miserable loves because of it. I bet there's a lot of people who would say they aren't deserving of help either.
Anyone who thinks that statements like this are apologist or that they in some way excuse evil acts is dead wrong and I will fight you on it.
✮PitterAarav✮
(JSYK I’m using “you” as in second person + assume I’m talking about paraphilias here as a whole, not signaling one out, unless stated otherwise)
I’m a schizophrenic who regularly deals with both intrusive and paraphilic thoughts. I don't have a therapist but I find solace in meditation and faith. I’m not a mental health advocate, nor I am pro para. I think it’s important to resist acting on urges and seek treatment for disorders promptly. Although I believe in treating these conditions, I don’t see the point in destigmatizing them.
I admit my initial comment to OP’s post was harsh, due to past experiences. A later response made me rethink things, though I still remain largely in the middle. Some view those with paraphilic disorders as potential dangers if untreated, yet simultaneously label them as hopeless cases worthy of incarceration based on their thoughts. There's also the dismissal of typical concerns about someone revealing paraphilic thoughts which are naïve even from an idealistic standpoint. While it’s true that people shouldn’t comment on things they’re unfamiliar with, they often ignore this advice. Case in point OP using a bait title but expecting people to respect and have consideration to the disorders they're addressing. They got attention but at the cost of almost everyone overlooking their post.
I think the section of putting yourself in the shoes of someone who’s struggling with paraphilic thoughts is well written, but part of it bothers me. That part where you’re essentially accepting that path as your fate is where I’m left confused. I’m probably tone deaf for saying this, but if you truly don’t want these desires why surrender so easily? I know therapy is expensive and not getting one that specializes in these is an essentially money and time waster, but there are many resources both offline and online. Even the person who responded posted helpful links to people struggling with specific paraphilias, regardless of their hypocrisy.
I don’t want to come off as aggressive because I genuinely want to understand. I hope this made sense.
"People with paraphilas have the right to get help just like I have the right to pierce their skull with a bullet." I'd say it's a bit more than harsh (basically death threat imo).
And I don't feel like the title was bait, it's getting attention (like OP said, it was supposed to) but also holds up with the post well, they saying not to kill ALL pedos, just the offending ones, basically what the whole blog was saying, I can admit that another title might've been better fitting, but this one isn't so out there either. I think as much as the title is eye-catching, it's not a bad one for the blog.
by Zombie (but hotter); ; Report
Ilyas
Real real real i love you for this blog
El
also the „nah fuck that they should all perish“ argument DOESNT ACTUALLY SOLVE SHIT
therapy is an actual solution
you probs don't just wake up one day ready to act out humanity’s nightmares
that shit comes in steps
and if they notice these steps BUT feel too guilty to access help, they might come go feel so isolated that they spiral to a point of potentially committing these horrendous acts
NOT IN ANY WAY justifying it, but they need access to help
also what about people with OCD
that kind of mindset takes away from those people, truly innocent, not in the slightest actually pedophilic,
the help they need in order to escape the enormous guilt and self hatred haunting them
EXACTLY! And thanks for bringing up some really good points I should've mentioned btw /gen
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Zombie (but hotter)
To anyone interested, the original blog got taken down cuz the account got suspended, it's archived on wayback machine though, put this link on wayback machine to see:
https://blog.spacehey.com/entry?id=1478764
I didn't see the blog you've responded to though, I'd love to read it, mind giving me the name of the account or link to the entry?
Nvm found it
https://blog.spacehey.com/entry?id=1494306
It's so bad
by Zombie (but hotter); ; Report
damn, mf got so offended they took the time out of their fucking day to spam report OP
pathetic and an asshole, that's a bit of a reach imo
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
UPDATE: nvm i read it, OP took it down themselves because people missed the entire fucking point of their post, and now everyone's switching up. I swear tiktok ruined people's brains and it's causing issues.
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Nah, they didn't delate it. One of the mods that OP emailed about it said their account got suspended because of their name "Future Corpse", which just seems like they were looking for the tiniest reason to ban, unfortunately the mod couldn't unban it cuz they didn't have the permissions for it, it was someone higher.
Their other account is Skins, it has a link to the entry on wayback machine there. The blog got edited though, so there's nothing about the reason for the ban, probably cuz they didn't want to get banned for "avoiding suspension". They did say they will post comments from under that blog in another update for the entry.
But yeah, they did get spam reported, even to the point the mod had to comment not to report (W Koltin).
by Zombie (but hotter); ; Report
Damn
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
Fr, whoever took OP's account for an username is a joke, I hope they can somehow get it back
by Zombie (but hotter); ; Report
Fr, OP seemed like a cool dude too :(
by NozomiKaizoku; ; Report
ehe I archived it!!!
by Confetti boy; ; Report