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NOTE: Soooo.... I know it's, what, June 6th now ??? And I've had this sitting in my blog, on private, since............. March @~@ oops!!! And, it IS my fault for playing the new chapters before completing this.. but, I think that's fine. I know I still remember what I thought, since it got confirmed, denied, or just.. not addressed.
also, after I've replayed chapters 3 and 4 six million times and soaked it all in, I'll make another post like this with my new thoughts!!!
I will not be putting in any spoilers, so if you haven't played the new chapters, this is safe for you to read!
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SOOOO with Deltarune chapters 3 and 4 releasing this year, this era of our fandom is going to close with it!!! Everyone is going to move on from Snowgrave, stop asking who is the Knight, who is Tenna, when and where will the chapter 3/4 dark fountains be, Kris player control, the mayor, Asriel, Dess, Gaster, all the most common subjects for theories and speculation. Fanart will be less about the weird route, the Ferris wheel, Spamton on the phone, the eggs-husband joke, and focus new characters like Lanina and Lanino, the mafia inspired outfits, Tenna again!!!!, the secret boss, and MAYBE (okay, definitely) new ships??????
My point is this little stasis the Deltarune fandom has been in is going to end. It's been four years which is the LONGEST the Toby Fox fanbase has gone without a game release; Undertale came out in 2015, and chapter 1 came out three years later in 2018. And after that, chapter 2 came out almost EXACTLY three years later!!!! This period of four years is all I have EVER known regarding Deltarune; the period after chapter 2, after the Spamton Sweepstakes, after the newsletters, after the release of major projects like Undertale Yellow. (Okay, that's not entirely true, UTY came out days after I completed chapter 2)
ANWAYS I've wanted to make this post for a long time. I want this to be a capsule of the beliefs, thoughts, theories, and preferences that I have now, so I can see how it changes, what holds up, and the state of the internet.
spoilers for steven universe in the Kris section SORRYYY
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Kris
I DON'T THINK KRIS IS THE KNIGHT. I have a weird feeling that Kris-is-the-Knight is going to end up like the "ROSE QUARTZ IS PINK DIAMOND!!!!!!" theory from the Steven Universe fandom. I remember, with Rose being PD, I was super into it, then went against it like the rest of the fandom already had been doing, BUT then it WAS REAL. Except, with Kris, I never thought they were the Knight (I will talk more about the knight later in this post), I just think that Kris is their own character. If Kris WAS the knight, I know I would probably like whatever Toby did (I don't have very strong opinions just thoughts, if that makes sense? X) ) As for player/Kris relations, I think US, the player, is controlling them; not Asriel, the angel, or Gaster or Dess or whomever. None of these people are also the angel to me lol, Gaster least of all. Kris is also very against us being there and is very reluctantly allowing us into their body.
I'm inclined to believe we are with Kris for two reasons; because of a Gaster experiment (will talk about this in the Gaster segment) or because their demon summoning classes that actually Worked. Speaking of demons, I think something is going to come of Kris's demon/death imagery association. Horns, red eyes, and talking about them like they're a zombie, a corpse (thanks Susie), etc. Then, there's also the apple thing, which i think will be some some of Biblical connection. To extend on that Biblical connection, Kris would be Judas in the allegory. A few people think Noelle is some form of Jesus (will talk about Noelle in a sec). If she is an angelic, good, pure, thing then it makes sense for Kris to be Judas in the context of the Snowgrave route. In the Bible, Judas is the betrayer of Jesus and sent Him to his death. He came back to life three days later, overcoming death. Lucifer also makes sense if the Noelle/Jesus allegory holds up, but I don't know the Lucifer lore so I can't really say anything on that x). Regardless of if the the Bible and Jesus theories are real or not, I DO think something is going to happen with the Kris/demon and Noelle/angel connotations that have been building for a while.
In my opinion, Kris DOES care for people in their life, and right now their favourite person is Susie, even though they've known her for, like, a day. I don't think Kris outright DISLIKES Ralsei, more of just... indifference. Kind of like someone you see in class every day, and maybe do a group project together but you don't want to AND don't see them outside of class, even though you think of them fondly. Also there is no way Kris is okay with all the kris x ralsei ship bait in their own game. unless Asriel is a human BUT I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
as for Snowgrave, it is clear that Kris does not want to be doing any of that to Noelle. A lot of people focus on her side of the story but Kris's situation is more horrific to me and Noelle's is more terror. Horror in that they are being forced against their will to hurt and coerce the girl they grew up with and know better than nearly anyone to kill, terror for Noelle because killing is scary and she doesn't know what's happening or why. I think
Susie
I don't have a TON to say about Susie because she's very transparent in her backstory, motivations, and character. Everyone else has some mystery or backstory but Susie is Just Susie and I Love Her. She comes from a broken home and I think it is possibly because of her mom. Maybe she's abusive or ran off and abandonded her daughter, since Susie treats Toriel that way. It would also fit the universal mother theory (not well versed with this in regards to Susie) I don't have any opinions based on observation on her specific circumstance besides her mom. As for normal opinion/speculation, I think she lives in the apartments because they're. well. apartments. I also have a personal headcanon that she's got this old truck she drives around in for some reason ????? Anyway I'm not opposed to her being homeless either. It might even be interesting I can't think of a single homeless person in any media, ever.
AS FOR SUSELLE I think it is like inevitable that she and Noelle are gonna get together at some point, IF this game isn't a psuedo-dating sim where Kris is stuck between Susie, Noelle, and Ralsei. (I will elaborate on this later in the Noelle secton) Susie already cares a lot about Noelle and I don't think she's as dense as some people make her out to be but that just be the result of flanderization which happens to everyone (especially Noelle lol)
Uhmm, I would LOVE for Susie to be weird route boss and if they bring Megalovania back it belongs to Her
I reallyyyy hope she's not half human or came from a human colony. I know that a couple people really like that idea, and I don't have strong opinions on 90% of what happens in deltarune because Toby is lovely but I CARE ABOUT THIS?????? Idk, for some reason I know I just really wouldn't like it !!! I think I'd like it more if Kris was just the only human around. I feel like we can't know how they would feel about another human unless we get dialogue which I don't think will ever happen.. though the team is VERY good at characterizing Kris without dialogue (Wait why am i talking about Kris this is Susie's section)
Ralsei
RALSEI!!!
So I think it's really obvious that Ralsei is not Asriel. He's his own person. I can't say for certain what object he is a darkner of, but I don't think he really has one? He IS the prince of darkness, so maybe he is formed of darkness itself. I came up with a theory a while back that Ralsei treats Kris the way he does because he was made to make lightners (us) happy; lightners like cute, fluffy, soft, adorable things, lightners like cake, lightners want to feel important; and having the appearance of Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel makes him familiar and comfy to us and to Kris. I don't think Ralsei is uncaring towards Kris and only cares about us, but since his deepest belief is that darkners were made to make lightners happy he is fullfilling this in every way he can by being close to Kris. Lightners CAN include Kris btw, they are identified as one on SIGHT by other darkners, so maybe Ralsei is trying to make us AND Kris happy. Ralsei doesn't really know Kris though since all of his interaction with Kris is done by us.
This discussion also implies that Ralsei knows that the player exists so I guess I believe that too x)
He definitely knows more than he's letting on. There are probably a lot of evil forces swirling around that he is choosing not to mention because that will cause distress and we HAVE to fulfill the prophecy (Ralsei is obsessed with his purpose and focusing on the good things). I also believe that there is some secret about him. Not sure what it is, but he has one. Maybe it's about his origins, parents, more roaring details, angel details...
Also I think it's super weird that nobody like acknowledges him AT ALL????? Except Susie and Kris, and Noelle barely counts because she has like ONE line about him.? Berdly doesn't even address him. The only ones who do are Queen, King, Lancer, Clover, and they have hardly anything to say.
If deltarune wants to be a dating sim-esque thing, Ralsei will undoubtedly be involved in that. I don't think that shipping Kris and Ralsei like..... makes you a horrible person..... but it's super strange and I don't like it. Even if Ralsei isn't meant to remind kris and us of Asriel, HE STILL LOOKS KRIS'S PARENTS
Noelle (and also her family)
okay Noelle my baby darling my kin my character my girl!!!!!!!!!!! I think she is going to consistently be a part of the weird route; maybe the weird route won't be in every chapter, but she will be the focus of it and she will be manipulated every time. I don't think I'd like it if they had a different person be the focus of the weird route every chapter, especially because I think Noelle is going to be important. The way things are right now does not make her seem replaceable by someone like Toriel (and especially NOT Toriel because Toriel was already very prominent in Undertale)
So yeah she and Susie will get together unless dating sim deltarune is real. The game absolutely wants Susie and Noelle to be together (me too man) however if dating sim deltarune is real Suselle would be a source of drama for that kind of dynamic in that if you MAKE Kris pick either of them, the rejected one would feel something about it. I think Noelle would be heartbroken over Susie and then Susie would feel slighted that her only friend (Kris) ditched her. on that subject, i only think dating sim deltarune is going to be used in certain instances like festival dates and it won't be a particularly important part of the story besides making Kris unhappy idk. Suselle is endgame even though it was just born lol
i would LOOOOOOOVE for her to be the Angel from the prophecy!!!!! I think that would be so interesting and I love angel motifs and religious imagery and what better than the Christmas girl hellllloooooo. (see also the Jesus/Judas thing from the Kris section)
Anyway besides shipping drama I believe with my whole heart Noelle will be a 4th party member AND I REALLY HOPE SO.. or at least come back. Her spells are all upgraded versions of Ralsei's spells (and Susie's I believe? Like, Ice Shock and Rude Buster..?)
I already talked about her and Snowgrave a little in the Kris section but I will save the rest of that for the Snowgrave section ^^
uhmm Rudy is also probably going to die. he might not for the events of deltarune but i kind of think he's doomed 😭😭😭😭
I HAVE NOOOOOOOOO IDEA WHAT I THINK ABOUT DESS. I don't think she's dead though. I used to think she was the person in the code but like I have no basis for that besides popular opinion so I don't think it anymore x)
I have no idea what the mayor will be. I think there will be a scene where noelle confronts her mom like how she did with queen. maybe it would be neat if that had a different ending depending on if you did the weird route or not. just a thought. She is definitely person sending Asgore letters as well. I think her name is Carol ^-^ so, Noelle Holiday, December Holiday, Carol Holiday, and Rudolph Holiday !! I don't think one like Christine would fit her as well?
Berdly
is berdly dead?
girl I DONT KNOW.. and idk what happened to his wing. I read a theory about him being fallen down which I LOVEEEE it makes so much sense. But, I do think he's kind of like. not coming back in a way????? If he does he'll be entirely different. I think it'd be neat if they were able to go back and heal him and he 'd be healed in the light world.
Unfortunately for Berdly i think he's gonna kinda have a Lancer role now........ which makes me sad i sort of like him.(uhm.. maybe out of pity ?) Maybe he'll grow more and actually address his need for attention?? There's no way he and his parents get along like sunshine and rainbows
BTW I don't think the bead falling off of the toy at the hospital is meant to be Berdly. I think it 's about Kris because everyone calls blue kris a lot i think but Berdly only calls himself that????? i Dont Know
The Knight
I'm super tired of people claiming the Knight is every character under the sun, and honestly, I think they're taking this a bit too far. I would not have remembered or known who the Knight is that well if people hadn't been obsessed, though, thinking on it again, they have good reason. I don't think the knight is a character we've met yet. and again, I REALLY don't think it's Kris.
I don't have really anything to say about the Roaring Knight. sorry
Asriel
uhm He is not Ralsei, he is not dead, he is at college, Kris adores him. that's all i really have
Gaster, Survey Program, entry 17, sans, papyrus etc.
okay this is kind of a section for all of the Mystery
i believe with my WHOLE heart that deltarune is some kind of experiment done by Gaster. I don't know if I love making deltarune some kind of lesser sub -universe but it is basically confirmed in my head. I think that Gaster is responsible for its creation. I have a vague idea of how and why.
What i'm about to describe is a little fuzzy but I'm convinced the main idea of it is correct. basically, Gaster has some machine? Maybe powered by the core. and he's got somebody (us) hooked up to it to go and explore this world through Kris. or maybe Kris is frisk in a way where we are frisk and they're taking their form in deltarune as kris????? idk i wouldn't like that so much Kris is Kris... but it's a part of his darker-than-dark experiment.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure where I think Sans and Papyrus came from. I'm leaning on believing them coming from Deltarune like when papyrus was little. Even though i don't really like it? it makes a lot of sense. (Undertale and Deltarune are blatantly connected.) Sans is kind of outside the universe in a meta way that's different from how Flowey and Chara are. I don't feel as strongly about it as I do with Susie being related to humans though lol
Dark Worlds
Kris 100% made a Dark World at the end of Chapter 2. idc what ANYONE says. We already know by now that the chapter 3 dark world is the TV world, so as for chapter 4? I'm inclined to believe it's the church, Noelle's house, the classroom opposite the old classroom, or Asgore's flower shop. I would LOVE for it to be Noelle's house but I looove her to bits so that is probably why I feel that way
Ralsei travelling between different worlds is super weird but I think it's just because he's the Prince Of Darkness, he's made of darkness, he can go all around in them
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I think that's all I have for now? I was gonna do a section originally on the fandom's popular opinions but I think it's too late for that now 😭
love, sky
Listening To: NyxTheShield - Snow Angels
Mood: Hungry
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