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So I took a LOT of notes during the debate, and I thought I'd post them here, as well as the fact-checking I did the day after. Direct notes will be in bold, my commentary/fact checks will be in italic.
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On abortion: Trump says he supports abortion exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. He maintains that it should stay up to the individual states to vote for their own laws and restrictions on abortion.
Kamala says that's "a buncha lies", that Trump hand-selected supreme court justices. She called it "Trump abortion bans" and claims there are no exceptions for rape or incest. She promises to reinstitute Roe v Wade and claims that Trump will "sign a national abortion ban". She also claims that Trump will want "mandatory monitoring" of pregnant women.
*Moderator asks Trump if he would veto a national abortion ban.* Trump: "I'm not signing a ban, there's no reason to sign a ban, we wanted it brought back to the states and that's what we did. That's what everyone wanted, even Democrats wanted it. I'm not in favor of a ban."
When the moderator asked Kamala whether she supports ANY restrictions on abortion, she deflected and didn't answer, instead talking about IVF.
Trump: "You should ask her if she supports abortion in the 8th month -- will you?"
Kamala: "Oh, come on..."
On illegal immigration: Trump referenced Springfield Ohio, and said that residents were saying illegal immigrants were stealing their pets off the streets and eating them. The moderator claimed there were "no reports of incidents like that from the Springfield governor."
^^^^While the governor and police department insist that it isn't a problem, Springfield residents have been reporting incidents on social media, and been calling JD Vance to report incidents for months. There is also a video that went viral on August 16th of a woman named Allexis Telia Ferrell, who stomped on a cat and devoured it in front of her neighbors.^^^^
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Deportation proposal: *Moderator asks Trump about his plans to deport massive amounts of illegal immigrants.* Trump: "In other countries crime is down, here crime is through the roof because they sent their criminals here -- we have a whole new category for it, 'migrant crime'." The moderator interrupts him to say that "FBI reports show that crime is actually down" -- to which Trump says that the FBI statistics are fraudulent, because they didn't include any of the cities with the most crime in their report.
Kamala: "I think this is so rich coming from someone who's been prosecuted for (lists out court cases). Let's be clear, we need to move forward from this tired old rhetoric.
Trump: "Every one of those cases was started by them (Biden and Harris) against their political opponent, and I'm winning most of them. They weaponized the Justice Department, so then they can call me a criminal."
Kamala: "Well let's talk about extreme. This is coming from someone who said he would terminate the Constitution!"
^^^^This quote stems from a claim that Chris Christie made. Christie claimed that Trump said "it's okay to suspend the Constitution" -- what Trump actually said in a post on Truth Social was: "A massive fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great founder did not want, and would not condone, false and fraudulent elections!" -- In a nutshell, he was saying that if the Left has no issue with rigging an election, there's nothing stopping them from going against the Constitution to get whatever they want.
Trump: "I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things they've said. Because they've called me a felon, such a terrible person, all these other things.
*The moderator moves on to fracking, border control, and the inconsistency of Kamala's stances on these issues.*
Kamala: "My values haven't changed. I won't ban fracking. I grew up a middle class kid with a hard working mother. We need a president who actually brings values, not one who beats people down and name-calls."
Trump: "Fracking? She's been against it for 12 years! She gave up at least 12 policies and everyone is laughing at it. (Kamala tries to interrupt him) Excuse me, I'm talking now if you don't mind -- sound familiar? She wants to confiscate your guns and end fracking. When I was president, I got the oil business going and the economy was great, when they took over, they got rid of it, and prices went through the roof."
*The moderator brings up January 6th -- here is where you can definitely start to see some of the male moderator's bias. He accuses Trump of "instructing people to raid the capital", and asks Trump if he "regrets anything he did that day"*
Trump calls him right out on the carpet for it, saying, "You just said a thing that wasn't correct -- I said peacefully and patriotically -- no one on the other side was killed. On the other hand, Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed by an out of control police officer. What about the criminals she's let into the border, when are THEY gonna be prosecuted? The people that burned down Minneapolis, the people that took over Seattle? When will they be prosecuted?"
*The moderator repeats the question -- "Is there anything you regret about what you did that day"*
Trump: "It wasn't done by me, and I called up Nancy Pelosi, and told her she needed to call in the national guard, and the tape is out there of her with her daughter saying she was fully responsible, that she should've listened to me."
^^^^I'm glad he brought up the Nancy Pelosi tape, because that came out a WHILE ago, and for the moderator to completely ignore her confession and still put the blame on Trump is WILDLY biased. He works for a news network, for fuck's sake -- you honestly don't think he knew about the tape? It was everywhere, you couldn't avoid it if you tried.
Link to the Pelosi clip: https://youtu.be/x6gE-0t4e_E?si=Tura1KUxxby6Ht9j
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Kamala: "On that day, the president incited a violent mob to attack the capital, to desecrate the capital. 140 law enforcement officers were injured and several were killed."
^^^^That claim is not only incorrect, but manipulative. 140 were assaulted, but that does NOT necessarily mean injured, and the terms are not interchangeable. "Assaulted" could mean anything from "spit on" to "slapped" to "beaten with a stick". On top of which, NO officers were killed on Jan 6th. In the seven months AFTER Jan 6th, one officer who was there died of natural causes (a stroke, ruled unrelated to injuries), and four officers who were first responders committed suicide. So while 5 officers who were there did technically die, they were NOT killed by any of the protestors, and they did NOT die during the events of Jan 6th, or even on the same day, as she made it seem.^^^^
Kamala went on: "He was indicted and impeached. This was not an isolated situation. Charlottesville -- he said there were "fine people on both sides." Proud boys, he told them "stand back and stand by." He said that "there will be a bloodbath" if the outcome of this election isn't to his liking."
^^^^Once again, she is manipulating out-of-context quotes that have been debunked many times now. Biden also did this a lot during their debate; with even some of the same exact quotes.
In reference to Charlottesville, the "very fine people" quote is taken from an interview where Trump makes an important distinction between the neo-nazis who were there, and the people who were simply there to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. This was his full statement:
"I've condemned neo-nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." He later went on to re-iterate that he condemns the neo-nazis at Charlottesville: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America."
In reference to the Proud Boys: His "stand back and stand by" comment comes from his debate with Biden, where the moderator asked Trump whether he condemns white supremacist groups. When Trump asked the moderator who he was specifically being asked to condemn, Biden interrupted and said "Proud Boys". Trump later said that at the time, he didn't know who the Proud Boys were, so it makes sense that he wouldn't commit to a definite statement endorsing or condemning them until he had more information.
Unfortunately, the Proud Boys took that statement as endorsement, which in my opinion isn't Trump's fault -- if he hadn't made any statement at all, they probably would've taken his silence as endorsement as well. Trump cleared up his stance on the Proud Boys in a later interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity: "I've said it many times, let me be clear again, I condemn the KKK. I condemn all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys. I don't know much about the Proud Boys, almost nothing, but I condemn that."
In reference to the "bloodbath" comment, this is potentially the most egregious of Kamala's misquotes, as she's directly insinuating that Trump meant it as a violent threat if he doesn't win the election. The quote actually comes from when Trump was talking about the auto-manufacturing industry... While speaking about the potential loss of US auto manufacturing jobs to foreign countries, Trump said that if he isn't elected, "it's going to be a bloodbath for the country." Biden's campaign quickly accused Trump of "fomenting political violence." The Trump campaign explained that Trump was clearly using the term in the context of an economic bloodbath.
"If you actually watch and listen to the section, he was talking about the auto industry and tariffs," Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Trump's campaign, told the Washington Post. He added that "Biden's policies will create an economic bloodbath for the auto industry and autoworkers." Much like Biden in his debate with Trump, Kamala is deliberately using old and out-of-context information to attack Trump and mislead viewers, forcing him to waste precious time refuting her accusations instead of discussing policy.
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Trump: "Bloodbath was a different term and it was a term related to energy. Charlottesville has been debunked. They still bring it up just like Project 2025. Why are we allowing people on the southern border? I want to see her go down to DC right now, and let her sign a bill to close the border. Those people are killing many people, unlike January 6th."
This is just part 1 of the notes and stuff I have LOL, but my fingers are getting tired so I'm gonna try to find a way to send the rest to my PC so I can copy-paste it omg x.x Anyways, what are your thoughts so far? I think neither of them really discussed much policy, it's mostly just Kamala lying about Trump and Trump wasting time calling her out on it instead of just ignoring her and saying what he needs to say. Also, the male moderator tried to fact-check Trump multiple times, but let all those lies/misleading quotes from Kamala fly right past! Insanely biased, it honestly felt like a 2 v 1 -- at that point just get that dweeb a podium too and put him up next to Kamala, because that's literally what it felt like was happening.
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