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my problem with the dbh fandom [detroit: become human rant]

This is gonna read as more of a rant than a coherent blog post, just be advised on that, and a lot of this applies to most fandom culture in general but I'm a member of this fandom and I'm gonna talk about it in the context of this fandom.


Okay, so, I read a lot of ao3. I'm a reed900 shipper, and I like that as a rarepair. Which is fine. But a lot of the fics I see are tagged with abuse and violence. That would be fine, except in a lot of cases it's glorifying it and romanticizing it. AO3 is for everyone and it's kind of a general rule that 'anything goes' on there, but I don't think that so many people that are in the fandom should be romanticizing abuse. It goes hand in hand with the fetishization of gay relationships, and it genuinely disgusts me. Last week I read a fic where SA from Nines to Gavin was completely romanticized and considered 'okay'. That's insane and I don't understand how it got so fucking normalized. Abuse is never okay, and should not be treated like this cute thing that Nines is doing as a 'dom' because that is SO not right nor is it properly describing the way a relationship like that would work. Unhealthy relationships should not be romanticized. If you're going to treat your partner like that at all, and they're OKAY with it (which in all of these fics Gavin never talks about it with Nines), there should be a conversation about boundaries.

Another issue stemming off of the last one is that Gavin is ALWAYS written as if he's like.. Some softboy feminine doormat that is completely ok with getting beaten??? I don't know how to describe it. Like, did we play the same game? Are we talking about the same guy? I've analyzed him as a character far more than most and I can tell you now that "Gavin twirls his hair and giggles, looking down and blushing" (THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM A VERY POPULAR FIC I JUST CLICKED ON RIGHT BEFORE READING THIS) is not a scene that would play out. Once again, are we talking about the same character? His character in the game is not somebody that would do that, and I think it's awfully weird that we're acting as if he would. Because he absolutely would not, I'm telling you now. 

Additionally, I have a huge problem with hankcon. My problem isn't just that I don't like it, which I don't, but more lies in the fact that a large portion of the existing hankcon shippers will be like "aww their father and son relationship is so cute!" and then one post later post nsfw of the two characters. That's not okay, moreso than the ship itself. Not only are they canonically 'father and son', although not explicitly stated, but the sexualization of the age gap is what gets me too.

Biggest problem I have is the people themselves, to be honest. This bridges some stuff from the editing community, but I'm a dbh editor. I like making my silly little edits, I like talking about the game. When you talk to 90% of the editors in the fandom, they are aggressive, rude, jealous, and just flat out mean. I see a huge problem with this, seeing as we're all here for the same thing. You talk to almost anyone in the fandom, god FORBID you don't like the same characters as them because they will automatically hate you if you don't. There's so much elitism that I think we're all forgetting that we are all people, like human people, and that there's--once again--PEOPLE BEHIND YOUR FUCKING PHONE SCREEN. Why does there have to be so much discourse over who the 'best' main character is? They were all written to have a place in the story. You are not cool or different for telling me that Markus is a better character than Connor or Kara, you're just an asshole. Fandom culture is supposed to have a huge basis in being accepting. Fandoms have always had discourse, but jesus. One of my mutuals was doxxed because they like Kara better than the other two. We are all fans of the same game. Having a character that you like more than the others is normal because of your experiences and personality. It would be weird if everybody liked the same character, and it WOULD mean that the other ones aren't written well. But that's not what happened. They were all written as good characters, and telling someone that they're wrong for liking one more is the opposite of what the point of a fandom is.

that's all the yapping i have in me for one night goodnight <3


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While I watched playthroughs on DBH, I was never active in the fandom :o However, I’ve seen my fair share of AO3 stuff and fandom drama that reading all this isn’t necessarily new to me, haha

For the @buse stuff, I remember visiting a fandom that I wasn’t active in but a ship in it was pretty popular (gonna be a bit vague on it since this actually applies to some others I’ve seen too lol) and when I was looking through the popular fics of that specific ship, a bunch of the fics were just dubious consent and questionable manipulative tactics being used. With this specific ship, the ship itself was already pretty questionable (age gap, power dynamics, etc.) so I’m not necessarily surprised and, hey, whatever floats people’s boats, I guess...? But you can’t deny that the multitude of fics where the older character pretty much @ssaults/harasses the younger one in various degrees isn’t romanticizing @buse. I’m not saying every story should come with an in-depth analysis on @buse victims but...maybe some self-acknowledgement would be nice? Like, yeah, fiction is fiction blah blah blah but it’s a bit concerning how so many popular fics for a media that doesn’t deal with heavy topics like that at all just...let that shit slide without saying anything.

As for the mischaracterization of characters, I surprisingly never had an experience as bad as the quote you brought up LMAO In my experience/fandoms, the really bad mischaracterizations come from smut fics and I can usually tell from the description and tags that the fic is definitely not for me lol. I really only got jumpscared once and that was when one of the characters (a teenage girl) was acting A LOT more b!tchy than she usually would (and she’s not even that b!tchy, anyway! She’s just not afraid to speak her mind!) I get why she would be acting that way since it gives the fic its purpose (AKA it’s a plot device) but all it did was just give me vibes that the author thought “oh, teens should act moody all the time” and, god...don’t do my girl like that ever again...

Everything else, I totally get it u_u some of the discourse in some of my fandoms are just straight up embarrassing holy shit. Twitter is the biggest contender but there’s always gonna be fans who complain about the most dumbest shit and are so chronically online that the idea of having an unpopular opinion is just a foreign concept to them :/

apparently a “forbidden/swear word” is making me unable to post this comment so my apologies for censoring random stuff lololol


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waitwaitwait im so confused how is that NOT romanticizing abuse???

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Oh, it is :0 double negatives were always my enemy in English LMAO my bad

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