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that one fucking zoophilia rentry?? a deep dive :)

im talking about this rentry in this blog. read it, or dont. ill basically summarize it anyways.

this rentry has good points, but falls flat with its overall message. im making a cohesive counter argument to this and actually explaining why zoophilia, even non-contact, is very very wrong because i dont like just saying "this thing is bad because... ermmm... i said so"

they say "focus your hate on animal abusers and people who are actively hurting animals instead of hating on people who aren't doing anything wrong" which, is a good statement, but they end with "be an ally to non-offending zoos". this, on its own, isnt a bad thing, but alongside the whole "zoos should be left alone because they arent hurting anyone!" message this sends, makes it like. not good.Β 

they make the ABSOLUTELY BAFFLING claim that not acting on an attraction to an animal if youre a zoo is the same as not acting on an attraction to a straight person if youre queer. despite how obviously fucking insane this is, being queer is not a mental disorder and also humans can consent. they even state in the rentry that "Zoophilia is often a disorder, and that disorder often comes from trauma". ignoring the fact that they said its often a disorder when it is actually always a disorder, lets focus on what this disorder actually is and what causes it.

you dont need to read this paragraph, but just as a note -Β its really hard to find stuff on zoophilia on the internet because it is extremely taboo, and often ignored in discussion and research from what ive seen. pedophilia is much more looked into, mostly because it is a bigger overall concern and... i guess less uncomfortable to research? pedophiles are much more common in society, and therefore everyone is able to go "yeah, pedophilia is gross because children arent psychologically or physically developed enough for a relationship". you dont have to think about it. but zoophilia you have to think harder to form an actual argument because it isnt drilled into your brain that it is wrong, you should just already know that its wrong, but you dont really know why. its like incest. and once you start thinking about it, it makes you feel gross. thats just my idea. so, i looked at a bunch of straws i could find and basically combined the relevant points together as well as some knowledge of disorders i already know in order to make a conclusion.

zoophilic disorder is, obviously, a persistent attraction to animals. this doesnt mean that you will engage in beastiality, it just means the attraction exists. this attraction is always a disorder, because it goes against our genetics and brain chemistry. humans are not coded to just fuck anything just because, we are coded to fuck other mature, humans in order to reproduce. that is also why pedophilia is a disorder, because the need to fuck an immature human goes against our basic coding. this is either caused by trauma, often childhood and often sexual (but not always!), or genetic factors. also animals cant consent for obvious reasons im not googling that lol ive googled enough for this essay today to get put on a watchlist probably.

"thought crime" is not a thing. just because you think about these things does not make it bad, but it is often not just thinking about it, it is almost always harmful to someone. even though very few zoophiles actually harm animals (through intercourse or otherwise), many feel intense guilt for their thoughts, which the rentry even stated. the rentrys solution to this is "well stop saying zoophilia is bad then and they wont feel bad!" which is, like, stupid. zoophilia is rightfully hated by society, so even if everyone on the internet stops commenting on it, they will still feel like shit due to societal norms. if theyre told that these thoughts are ok or normal, thats even worse, because that normalizes it in their brains and heightens the chance of them offending in the future. so, what to do?

obviously therapy. finding community with other zoophiles and proclaiming yourself as a zoophile makes things worse because it, again, normalizes it in their brain, unless said community is to heal and recover from their disorder (which it rarely is).

"well, what if they are not offending nor do they have any thoughts or urges to offend, and their fantasies are giving them no guilt?" my brave strawman asks. well, dear strawman, this is where my opinion might become controversial. at that point, we should just leave them be. if their fantasies are causing no issues whatsoever, then there is no issue as long as they are not proudly proclaiming themselves as a zoophile and encouraging other zoophiles who may actually have urges to offend and heighten their chances of offending. then, we should probably just explain to them why they should stop. otherwise, who cares? again, thought crime is not real. the whole thought crime thing is also why im proship, so please dont comment "but youre proship wouldnt you dont you support zoophiles?" because no, i dont. zoophilia is talking about real animals, not cartoons.

harassment is not okay for innocents. those who proudly proclaim themselves as zoophiles, but are anti-contact, should be scolded and educated, and if they continue to do so then they should rightfully be harassed. as for pro-contact, my stance should be obvious. i hope they rot in jail, in the very least.

tldr : how zoophiles should be handled depends on what "category" they fall in -
non-offenders + feels guilt for their thoughts : tell them to get therapy.
non-offenders + doesnt feel guilt : leave them alone as long as they arent enablers.
offenders : die
dont harass people unless they are offenders or encouraging zoophilia in any way shape or form. thanks for reading!

edit: ive actually changed my mind on some of this, i DO think people should be harassed for encouraging zoophilia and i dont know why i said they should just be scolded. thats all


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xXHyper-CryptidXx

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real! tho, i think allowing zoophiles who are against bestiality to have a community and be proud to be them is okay if the community fosters a very strict non-offending environment since that can help lessen how bad guilt can be and prevent them from getting sucked into pro bestiality circles which is obviously very fucking bad and then we get another Kero the Wolf out of it.


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B0r1sXD

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he actually compared homosexuality to a serious mental disorder?
ΰ² _Κ–ΰ² 


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Alex

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Isn't there a hidden track on the blink 182 album Take Off Your Pants and Jacket about this....

Anyway it's kinda of creepy and scary that there are users here that want to fuck a dog in the ass no joke


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I kinda get the point of this blog I think and that if it's someone has like fucked up sexual thoughts but don't act on it they should get help

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MockeryLloyd

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Bruh wtf is up with these people in trying to justify their nasty ass attractions omg


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Valerie

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Man, If an animal turns you on at all you need to burn. Doesnt matter if youre gonna act on it at all. Dont fuck an animal, dont THINK of fucking an animal. Dont team up with non-contacts to fight against sadists, SATAN CAN NOT CAST OUT SATAN.


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Im glad!!

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β˜…Sisco!β˜…

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I think fucking an animal is bad


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me too

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

β˜…Sisco!β˜…

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I think fucking an animal is bad


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β˜† JAYYY β˜†

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the way everyone absolutely shits on u bc your takes are nuanced and you're trying to bring light to the subject instead of JUST condemning it is crazy ngl (οΌ _οΌ ;)


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snwbunnigrl

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trust me its a choice . dont feed into this narrative. ths is what zoophiles want u to believe. a breathing zoophile is a bad zoophile, doesnt matter if theyre "offending" or not


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same 4 pedophilia. its a creepy need for power & a need to hurt innocent life. like i said, a breathing pedophile is a bad pedophile. it doesnt matter if theyre "getting therapy" those urges r absolutely repulsive

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

theyre literally disorders tho its not like theyre actively choosing to have those thoughts. this is like saying someone with violently intrusive thoughts are repulsive, it is literally not their choice.

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

"mental health matters" until the mental health condition is something that makes you uncomfortable lol

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

it doesnt just make me uncomfortable it ruined my fucking life bro. i have been preyed on atleast 50 times by different pedophiles and it doesnt fucking matter if its a "disorder" i have bpd but u dont see me using it as an excuse. its an explanation, not an excuse for their actions or thoughts.

ur looking at this way too "psychologically" these people r violent and unempathetic and they do whatever they can to fulfill their urges regardless of how it affects others.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

ur literally victim blaiming. pedophiles and zoophiles ARE NOT THE VICTIMS. "mental health matters" . if ur a toddler toucher or an animal rapist idgaf ab ur mental health, bc u arent the priority. the priority is the possible victims and those ppl need to be locked up or separated from society until they r confirmed to not be a threat at all.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

im sorry that happened to you but all i said was they cannot choose or control their thoughts. their actions are an entirely different story, their disorders CANNOT make them harm anyone and it is entirely their fault if they do and they should go to prison. when did i ever say that?having a paraphilic disorder does not make you violent and unempathetic as much as bpd doesnt make you manipulative and angry. you arent a toddler toucher or an animal raper unless you touch toddlers or rape animals. why do you think we should police peoples thoughts, especially those they cant control?

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

bc repetitive and intrusive thoughts like that lead to actions more often than not. not all pedophiles commit crimes by phsyically touching children. most find loopholes through content on the web or by taking advantage of kids through social media and watching cp is just as bad as making it / committing crimes irl.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

this kind of conversation is very very dangerous bc it gives these kinds of ppl an argument or a chance at normalizing it

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

those kinds of thoughts absolutely do not lead to actions more often than not. those that act on their harmful thoughts, online or irl, would be deranged and horrible people with or without their disorders.
this is an important conversation to have because it urges people that have those disorders to have the courage to speak up about it to a mental health professional and get help. most people who have paraphilic disorders are scared to get help because of the stigma that all -philes act on their thoughts and are inherently bad people when thats just not true. i dont see how anyone could normalize actual pedophilic actions through an conversation that is ultimately telling them that anyone who acts on their disorders are horrible people and that they should get help.

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

either way spacehey , a predominantly minor space , isnt really the place for this and ur not really going to find ppl on here who want to listen to this. also i can assure u a majority do act on their impulses.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

youre right that this isnt the best place for this, i was drawn to using it because of its extremely anti proship majority (which is why i made my other blog to try and educate people) and also its long blog style format that allows way more text in a post than other platforms.
but most people dont act on it, because there would be *way* more cases if so. plus there is no way to prove this, due to like i said, most people are too scared to get help and therefore a test on the offender to non offender ratio would be missing a lot of people (unless it was on a select group, but still it would be innacurate). again, im sorry for what happened to you and i dont expect you to give paraphiles any sympathy, but you shouldnt outright say misinfo and be offensive towards them unprovoked assuming they did nothing besides have a disorder.

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

> trust me it's a choice

what on earth? did you think this sentence through?

by odoffperkz; ; Report

read the rest of what you said and wow - you are clinically fucking stupid, aren't you?

by odoffperkz; ; Report

"clinically stupid" wow okay . love how u used a burner acc for this.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

why are you surprised someone may be using a burner account to express this opinion? people get harassed for this opinion why would you want that shit on your main unless youre like me who really does not gaf lol

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

pls stop acting like a victim or smth the way u worded ur whole take was really really weird imo. i agreed w some of it but i feel like ur treating these ppl like victims.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

this isn't much of a burner account, i simply never cared to actually make one until i saw how dumb your comment was. you're so ignorant and mis-educated on this topic, and how to conduct discourse in general, that it feels almost disingenuous for someone like you to engage in any conversation about a nuanced topic because of how you manage to be such a colossal fucking idiot

"it doesnt just make me uncomfortable it ruined my fucking life bro. i have been preyed on atleast 50 times by different pedophiles and it doesnt fucking matter if its a "disorder" i have bpd but u dont see me using it as an excuse. its an explanation, not an excuse for their actions or thoughts."

the entire.. fucking thread.. is providing an *explanation* for why people have those compulsions, yet you framed their argument as if they were providing an excuse. if only to further prove my point that you peaked at a 3rd grade reading level, you could've at least provided direct quotes from them that would suggest they *were* providing an excuse, but of course, that's far too much to ask of you, and so you continued making claims of what they supposedly supported, without actually offering any sort of reasoning for how you interpreted it that way

"same 4 pedophilia. its a creepy need for power & a need to hurt innocent life."

not that i'm disputing that some pedophiles get off on the power dynamic and sadistic element of it, but this is so fucking stupid? why are you speaking on the psychology of pedophilia as a whole and then go onto say

> ur looking at this way too "psychologically"

"ur literally victim blaiming. pedophiles and zoophiles ARE NOT THE VICTIMS."

what? where did any of this occur in the original post??

" if ur a toddler toucher or an animal rapist idgaf ab ur mental health, bc u arent the priority."

once again your inability to read is on display. the post specifically said that hate targeted towards those that do abuse children and animals sexually (so, the toddler touchers and animal rapists you're referring to) is a good thing

"the priority is the possible victims and those ppl need to be locked up or separated from society until they r confirmed to not be a threat at all."

this has to be by far the dumbest shit i've read all day man, the priority is the mental health of the victims that haven't actually been affected yet? the 'possible victims'? which could be fucking anybody? i mean what are you even saying here, that we should care about mental health in general??? on top of that why would you not want to provide mental care to curb those with compulsions to NOT actually abuse people sexually, when therapy is proven to work in the real fucking world? also, how would you lock up people for something they haven't done yet? if you're expecting pedophiles with urges they don't act upon to line up to go to jail so they can get shanked as soon as people realize their 'charges', you're completely fucking delusional. anyway, the criticism of this paragraph is all predicated on the hope that you didn't completely misinterpret fern's post and instead thought we should allocate mental health resources we don't have the capacity for to offenders

"bc repetitive and intrusive thoughts like that lead to actions more often than not. not all pedophiles commit crimes by phsyically touching children. most find loopholes through content on the web or by taking advantage of kids through social media and watching cp is just as bad as making it / committing crimes irl."

grooming was always obviously included in the context of sexual abuse in this conversation

"this kind of conversation is very very dangerous bc it gives these kinds of ppl an argument or a chance at normalizing it"

completely fucking deranged take and not at all how normalization works, please never say a conversation is 'very very dangerous' with any authority bro you're like 9

"either way spacehey , a predominantly minor space , isnt really the place for this and ur not really going to find ppl on here who want to listen to this. also i can assure u a majority do act on their impulses."

to an extent i agree, conversations like this would certainly make people uncomfortable, especially minors, however, this is a open forum, so policing what topics people talk about is silly. that said

"also i can assure u a majority do act on their impulses."
1. do you know literally every pedophile? otherwise, strange of you to make such a sweeping generalization without a source. no i'm not gonna take ur word for it and no one else is either lol

"isnt really the place for this and ur not really going to find ppl on here who want to listen to this."
2. that's fine, just don't come in with self righteous bullshit

finally,
"pls stop acting like a victim or smth the way u worded ur whole take was really really weird imo. i agreed w some of it but i feel like ur treating these ppl like victims."

many victims of child sexual abuse end up developing those urges and fantasies, as well as disorders like POCD, without actually acting on them. ironically, your entire argument would probably end up hurting more actual victims than not

by odoffperkz; ; Report

this is way too much yapping. idgaf. literally shut up i wrote all that shit high as fuxk at like 2 am i dont even remmeber what this post is ab mostly. and all of ur pointless jabs at my intelligence doesnt change the fact that in 3rd grade i could read at a highschool senior level and i still continue to have fairly high intelligence to this day.

ur a freak. πŸ‘ i believe my main point was that it really doesnt matter if its a mental illness or not and i dont really care what a pedophile/zoophile is going through if their actively engaging in these behaviors πŸ™

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

"anyway, the criticism of this paragraph is all predicated on the hope that you didn't completely misinterpret fern's post and instead thought we should allocate mental health resources we don't have the capacity for to offenders"

the "criticism" was u sitting here and jabbing at my intelligence for about 22 paragraphs. so no i have no reason to take any of this seriously since its just u trying to offend me some of the shit i said was probably ridiculous af and was not coherent at all bc like i said i was stoned as fuck and probably in a manic episode. once again, i wont be taking ur criticism seriously. thx.

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LOL

by odoffperkz; ; Report

yea and i reread wahat i said and its actually embarrassing im high af rn and like rereading it yea i was def manic like this topic triggered me into an episode and all this yapping was like me freaking out idek.

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

idek what to say dawg besides a well formulated response is not "yapping" and if you consider that yapping you should really not interact with any discourse or serious discussion about anything ever high or not LOL if ur not able to stop urself from interacting with this kind of stuff maybe dont go on social media when high. this isnt an attack i just wanted to add that, my condolences for this blog triggering u and hope ur doing alright now!

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

tghx and yea ur right lol

by snwbunnigrl; ; Report

lmaoo ur good bro js irritated me the way u came at fern

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lasagna dog

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how about you get a hobby


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my hobby is researching psychology, sociology, and debating? ur so weird go back to drawing cartoons or whatever it is you do

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Asher

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how about we put all this shit to the side and go get jobs (i didn't read a single bit of this)


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god forbid men have hobbies

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

i play drums and guitar as a hobby. i still got a job :)

by Asher; ; Report

ok good for you me too what do u want

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

god forbid i comment on your niche site blog post

by Asher; ; Report

god forbid i post a niche site blog post

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

yea cause you need to get a job

by Asher; ; Report

im in schooling full time do you want me to enroll in a second one

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

yes. in fact i want you to actually blow your school up first, it'll be a lot easier.

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WHATRE YOU TALKING ABOUT LMAOOO

by silver!! 🌈🚒; ; Report

i thought we were being funny and acoustic

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we are wanna be friends

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yes πŸ‘

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