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Thoughts about God and Religion

Okay, so, hear me out.

I never understood when people are talking about God in their religion, it's always a "he," but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, at least to me. If God, and I mean any God, created the universe, wouldn't this God be female? Females are the ones to give birth since they have the organs to, so if God gave birth to the universe, they would be a woman, correct?

I remember doing research on this particular topic and found out that long, long ago, women were actually the center of most religions before the persecution and eventual genocide of these people began, leading to most of the resources about these people to be almost if not completely erased and basically replaced with religions like Christianity. This led to a lot of beliefs that a majority of people have today, like viewing Earth and nature overall as a resource rather than her own being that we share a home with.

I'm not religious myself. Well, at the very least I'm not Christian or follow any other mildly popular religion. What I am is a woman with Slavic roots that is livid that she cannot find anything about the country her family is from and how they were before the persecution of them. I would give anything to know the religious roots of people from the Czech Republic and Slovakia (that's where my mom's side of the family comes from), but unfortunately, most if not all of these resources have been erased from existence. Though, this could also be because countries like the Czech Republic and Slovakia are not widely popular like Italy, Germany, etc... So it makes it harder to do research on their history. 

At the very least, I'm glad that Paganism, Wicca, and witchcraft altogether is becoming well-known and accepted by the public again thanks to the internet. Many of the countries that based their religions around the idea that women created the universe rather than men were mostly Pagans or Wicca.

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In my opinion, I thinks it's cause in a lot of other languages, there are no gender neutral pronouns. And because there's no gender neutral terms, male terms are the neutral

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As a Christian, for the "why is it he not she" i dont know about other religions but its more as jesus (the human form of God) was male BUT God himself is just God the creator... IF THAT MAKES SENSE..

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all I could think about well reading this was "trans god!" this made my fucking day even tho I dont think this was the point of the post but thanks!

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ya. I actually don't believe in any god but I like talking to people about this stuff

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It's generally understood within secular circles of study that the abrahamic god, that is yahweh, is from a greater pantheon of gods that can be attributed to yahwism. This is the religion of the ancient israelites. In origin, this pantheon was like many other pantheons such as the greco-roman pantheon and the egyptian pantheon. The modern 'god' as we describe him within christianity, islam, and judaism, all which at their core stem from the same belief system and god, was the figurehead for yahwism in a way similar to how zeus was head of the olympians. There were many other gods within the pantheon responsible for a slew of things, and likely a primordial goddess who had a feminine form accredited to creating the universe itself, however during the advent of judaism many of these gods were erased or forgotten. In the mid-iron age worship of the pantheon shifted to a more familiar monotheistic model, where by the time the tanakh was solidified, any mention of other gods was void. Notable however, though, is that even in the abrahamic religions (which are monotheistic), the existence of other gods is acknowledged. However, you are required to only worship one. Due to this, and the ancient god taking a masculine form, people refer to god with masculine pronouns. That's the historical explanation for it, anyway.

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That makes sense, thank you for clarifying some things. I remember hearing somewhere that in Slavic countries, God was more than often made to resemble women rather than men, but most of this history has been erased with time and I can't find a solid answer anywhere online (in English, at least). Most of these Slavic countries had Pagan roots. In modern times, most of the world population is some form of Christian and often refer to God as being a "he." I have no problem with this (besides the Bible just being kind of screwed up in almost if not all testaments) and people worshipping a single God rather than multiple since it can be difficult to keep up with more than one, but some part of my brain just tells me it's not very logical for a God that basically created the entire universe and then people say God is a man. A majority of religions base their Gods off of humanity and humans in general, so it would make more sense for a female to be God because females can give birth. Hellenism is a great example of this. While Zeus is the ruler of the Gods, he wasn't just created from nothing. He was given birth to by Gaia. Without her, Zeus and a majority of the other Gods from Ancient Greece wouldn't exist. Please correct me if I'm wrong lol. In modern times, people say that God has no gender and then use "he/him" pronouns or paint him out to be male. I have no problem with their God being male, the problem is when people say God is a man for misogynistic reasons rather than simply because he's male like Zeus is. Besides that, it's unfortunate that a lot of the history behind the religious roots of many countries were lost overtime because I really want to look into the history behind some of the backgrounds of Slavic countries before they were wiped out. We have so much information on Hellenism and even more on monotheistic religions like Christianity, but I can barely find anything on Slavic Paganism (that's in English, at least).

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Actually, within greek mythology zeus was given birth to by rhea, a titan and the wife of chronos. But you have the right idea. Before the gods were the titans, and before titans were the primordial beings, and still before them was Khaos, the greek creator goddess and the manifestation of the abyss (or, what greeks interpreted as the universe). You're not the first person to make the connection between birth and existence and womanhood, and you're right that many cultures attribute the first of their existence to female gods and deities. However, the rise of the abrahamic religions also has significant political backgrounds and nuances to their growth. For example, the majority of the western world is known for christianity yes, but south and middle asian spheres of influence are known for islam, post-mesopotamia for judaism. These religions are not well known for their 'correctness' in belief or for accuracy in describing the universe, but due to the imperialist nature of the abrahamic scripture that enabled empires and nationalist kingdoms to take over territory. They use the term 'divine right' to describe a sense of entitlement to the history and religious influence over culture. You're completely right that the loss of a feminine god in many cultures can be attributed to the rise of christianity, but I think it's important to acknowledge that these religions had a /direct/ part in the erasure of these cultures and their religions. Judaism during the formation of the kingdom of israel, christians during the crusades, islam during the conquest of the ottoman turks, mecca, and the arabian peninsula. These religions all have extremely militaristic and dogmatic schools of thought that allow and often encourage the destruction of outside or 'pagan' religions. An extremist islamic organization destroyed the gates to nineveh, the ancient capital city of the assyrian empire, zionists order palestinians out of land they've lived in for generations, christians have killed millions of natives in their historic colonizations of the americas, etc, etc. And these are consequences that people continue to face today. One of the biggest conflicts in example is in Iran, which currently is most well known for the outspoken protests against femicide and violence against women for the desire of bodily autonomy under the islamic government, but one of the other important reasons people are unhappy is because of just how much of their culture and religion was erased at the arrival of an abrahamic religion into their country. This refers to after the dictatorship, which was also a significant setback for iranian culture, but it was only bolstered by the pervasiveness of these types of religions. It's unfortunate, and most people don't ever do research into the history of their religions, which is really sad because we can learn so much from them. I mourn for the history and the gods we've lost over time. Those are pieces of human history we will never be able to recover.

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Again, thank you so much for informing me of this! It's actually interesting to be learning about this kind of history. I don't have much else to really add on because your points sum up everything well. My original post was mainly about the rise of Christianity and how it affected religions centered around women, but what you added on really widens the perspective to other Abrahamic religions as well. Hopefully, more of the past behind these countries original religious beliefs before the spread of Abrahamic religions gets uncovered and we can learn more about them. Until then, we can only learn from the past mistakes of these religions and try to stop it from happening again.

by Lovely_Demons; ; Report

Absolutely, your post brought up some very valid and fascinating points of conversation surrounding how we view god and how that view has been warped. I'm glad you got some use from my replies, and I'm with you in the hopes that more about our religious history is uncovered

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