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A few years ago, I read an arabic poem called “Don’t forgive”
“Don’t forgive even if they gave you gold
If I gouge out your eyes,
And put two diamonds in it’s place,
Do you see?
There are things that can’t be bought “
Despite that the poem is horrible in English but I really love it -I hope the meaning is clear-
About the poem,
The poet clearly doesn’t accept forgiveness, he even calls for revenge which I really believe in. Peace is not real, and it doesn’t benefit anyone but criminals and politicians. So don’t forgive, people’s blood is not worthless.
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Zigzag Buster 🇺🇦
I don’t believe in revenge.
I believe in accountability.
I am a proponent of armed resistance in the face of genocide.
That said, I also believe that there has to be some form of limitations on what is appropriate to do in order for armed resistance to be sustainable.
Otherwise, you have a situation like the Punisher where bad things are done with good intentions, thus undermining true justice.
True justice needs to come from real heroes, not from anti-heroes, in order to be possible.
feral boy Jamara
I couldn’t agree with you less. Forgiveness helps you to heal and move on. Being bitter and seeking revenge causes you to become more like those who did you wrong and that’s too terrible a price to pay. Please read my blog “Why I refuse to follow the path of bitterness and hate “ for a fuller explanation of why forgiveness is important.
I agree with you forgiveness is important in our personal life but not in wars
My blog is talking about that war should be treated with war and so is blood because it’s not worthless
by Idontwannausemyname; ; Report
With respect I must still disagree. As a pacifist I believe that the life of every individual is sacred to God including the lives of enemy combatants. I believe that war will only cease when all men in all nations stand together and tell their respective governments “We will not fight. We will not murder and mutilate each other at your behest. If you want these atrocities committed then do it all yourself because we will not do it for you nor assist you in any way in doing it “. Everyone who refuses to bear arms brings us a small step nearer to that day.
by feral boy Jamara; ; Report
With all due respect you’re kinda disconnected from reality and the world is not working like that , people can’t stand against governments who have army and nuclear weapons despite that even if they can not all people have the same values so treating crimes with people’s beliefs will cause nothing but chaos
Also I don’t agree that even the people who started wars their life is sacred to god it’s so unfair. When a person kill they are sentenced to death. The principle that everyone has a holy soul even if they killed, and destroyed the world and started wars contradicts with the idea of peace itself because it encourages committing more crimes and at the end of the day god loves you and it’s okay that makes no sense. If you really believe that peace is necessity then you should threaten people who works against it.
And I have one question, if god loves war criminals and people who start wars and kill children and take land that not theirs how is this a just god? A just god must give justice to the weak not love them and consider their souls as a holy one
Also I have no forgiveness or mercy for someone who killed my people
by Idontwannausemyname; ; Report
The fact is that people often peacefully resist armed government. We have the historical example of Gandhi who challenged the might of the British empire through organised non violent resistance. I believe that God’s love is unconditional but,as you have rightly pointed out,he is not ok with the evil that people do. I also believe that he holds the door of repentance open to even the most wicked of people and will show mercy to all who truly repent. Perfect justice does exist even though it may not always be found in this world. After this life is over we must all, both righteous and wicked alike, stand before God and face his holy judgement. On that day we receive our due reward or punishment. I understand your point about those who kill your people and you have every right to be angry. It would be impertinent for me to tell you how to feel towards them but I will give you an example from my own life as to how I deal with my feelings for those who have harmed me. I’m not sure how much of my story you have read but I have survived horrific abuse at the hands of cruel and truly evil people. I hate the evil that these people have done, and continue to do to others,but I refuse to hate them because I know that they also serve a purpose in God’s plan and it is for him,not me, to judge them and ultimately punish them for the evil that they do. Also, I can not rule out the fact that ,evil as they are now, any of them may one day repent and receive God’s mercy. The best of all outcomes (for which I pray) would be for every one of them to one day stand in God’s presence with their many sins completely forgiven.
by feral boy Jamara; ; Report
I think we’re talking from two different religion background we just have different religions and different ideas about god that he loves us unconditionally which’s really doesn’t make any sense
But if peace is going to be practiced then it should be on both sides and if not then it’s either inability to defend oneself or normalisation with injustice.
And honestly I think it’s not practical to bring religion to wars because imagine if there’s no god so you’re letting people destroy and kill without justice
by Idontwannausemyname; ; Report
Yes I see what you mean about different religions and different ideas of God. I do absolutely agree with you that peace should be practiced by both sides but sometimes someone has to make the first move to set the ball rolling in the right direction.
I also agree with you that wars should not be waged in the name of religion because that’s killing in the name of God who commanded us not to kill.
The question of defence is a complex one. I believe that defence should not involve the deliberate taking of human life. However, I do accept the defensive use of non lethal force. To give an actual example from my own case, I managed to punch one of the two men kidnapping me but I would not have used lethal force even if the opportunity to do so had arisen. (For the full story of my kidnapping see part two of my six part series of blogs about my experience as a TTI survivor).
A word about different religions. While I have strong beliefs I respect the right of others to follow their own beliefs. Also, the Abrahamic religions have the same roots. Different branches of the same tree.
by feral boy Jamara; ; Report
Do you really think that’s an effective solution? That dealing with violence and killing through negotiation will make an enemy someone who decided to kill children take their homes and leave them disabled for life suddenly regain their humanity? That will never be real And with all respect to your experience (I hope you’re okay) your situation can’t be compared to thousands of people being killed, sexually assaulted, arrested, and tortured physically and mentally for years.
Negotiation is nice, but it’s weak compared to killing and violence It doesn’t do anything except open the door for more violence because there’s no real deterrent Wars start for political reasons so when you try to negotiate peacefully you’re never going to make politicians back off their plans for humanity or peace or safety
As for religion it tells me to be peaceful not to scare people and not to shed blood But it also tells me that if someone kills they should be punished with something equal to what they did first, to give justice to the person who was killed because the killer ended a whole existence, a soul that hurt no one Second, so it’s a lesson for anyone who thinks about harming people or terrorizing innocent lives And third, because someone who kills like that has lost their humanity and murder itself goes against human nature the nature of existence
by Idontwannausemyname; ; Report
I not only advocate negotiation but also organised and sustained non violent resistance. It’s historically proven that non violent resistance can be effective even against the might of an empire. (I have already mentioned Gandhi as the most famous and obvious example).
I am more sympathetic than you can ever imagine to what you say about children (and adults) being tortured,abused and even killed over many years. I’m a victim of the Troubled Teen Industry. This is a legalised system of kidnapping children and teenagers and incarcerating them with no trial and no right to appeal in programs where they are subjected to ongoing abuse and even torture for anything from months to years. The abuse is so extreme that many kids have actually died as a result of it. Others,like myself,have sustained permanent injuries as a result of the abuse and violence inflicted on us. These legalised atrocities have been going on since some time in the 1950s or 1960s and millions of children and teenagers have been it’s victims. While my own case,in itself,doesn’t compare to the atrocities you have referred to the institutionalised evil system I was just one of so many victims of does compare. (I’m not reproaching you because you were not aware of my full experience,of which the kidnapping was only the start,or of the scale and duration of the evil that I was but one victim of).
With regards to the possibility of repentance of those who commit atrocities. That God sometimes wondrously saves the worst of sinners is a testimony to his might and majesty. For example,we have the case of the wicked king Manasseh who repented in the end. I have also personally seen the case of my dad. For most of his life he was a wicked and cruel man but he repented and became a better person. That’s one reason why I don’t rule out anyone eventually repenting.
The desire for justice is certainly understandable and there’s nothing unrighteous in that desire but I believe that desire should not be carried to the point where we forgo finer qualities such as mercy and the capacity to forgive. These qualities are what makes us better people than those who commit atrocities. I believe that,whatever else, unless they repent and seek God’s mercy, their sins will receive their eternal punishment whether they are punished in this life or not.
by feral boy Jamara; ; Report
Forgiveness should only begiven to those who truly haven't cause you any great harm, but if someone fucks me over I am going to be bitter over it, forgiveness is not for everyone especially depending on severity of what they have done.
by WIS; ; Report
@WIS. Those who have done you no harm have nothing to seek forgiveness for anyway so I presume you actually mean people who have only done you minimal wrong. Your statement that you will be bitter about things people do to you is,unfortunately, an all too common attitude people have. I suggest you read my blog “Why I refuse to follow the path of bitterness and hate “ for a clear explanation of the opposite attitude. Also, I ask you to be aware of the extreme abuse I have suffered but still I choose forgiveness over bitterness and hatred. When you hate those who do you wrong you become more like them. However, when you choose to forgive them you become less like them. I prefer to be less like them.
by feral boy Jamara; ; Report