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Alright, first of all.
Disgusted and disappointed.
Now, both left and right condemned it, the assassination that is..
Looking at the posts, you're no better than the dude who shot him or even kirks retorikk.
Personally I don't see the point of cheering over someone getting killed.. Both were senseless acts of aggression...
If he was a countrywide dictator (hitler, stalin, kim family of nk, pol pot) or a masskilling terrorist leader then yeah.
Personally i do not see the point.
This dude had two kids and a wife at home.
If it was some leftwing politician, people would have piled up on the people cheering, yet ~50 get banned by two people.. Suddenly it's an outrage..
I've never ever seen such reprehensible behavior on Spacehey, that i've seen in these past almost two days being an user for three years a mod for a year, shame on you all..
It's no better than kirk nor the shooter
Let's not forget he was a person too, not a pawn in the political machine.
Both Kirk and the shooter used their first and second amendment rights for their own gain between two extremes.
Don't like what I said? here: https://spacehey.com/block?id=1206326 and https://spacehey.com/unfriend?id=1206326
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ꜱᴀɪʙᴀ ꜱᴘᴀʀᴅᴀ
thank you so much koltin! this is why you're my favorite mod :) [as if i even get to interact with any of the others lmao]
i’ve been wanting to put these thoughts into words for a while, but writing them out is tough sometimes...
i actually wrote a blog about how ironic it is that people keep saying there’s this huge lack of empathy nowadays, yet they’ll turn around and celebrate a man being gored in front of his own kids and a bunch of random college students. you can’t tell me at least a few of those people weren’t traumatized watching that happen.
he wasn’t in power, he wasn’t a dictator, he had no influence beyond his words... and if words alone are enough to get you killed now, then free speech really is dead. and the same people claiming to defend it are the ones who buried it.
i remember when spacehey was actually fun. people just posted about their lives and hobbies. now in some ways it feels even worse than twitter...
"he wasn’t in power, he wasn’t a dictator, he had no influence beyond his words... and if words alone are enough to get you killed now, then free speech really is dead."
THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Charlie Kirk was NOT a politician, he held no office, he held no legislative power, he held no authority over other people. He was murdered simply for things he SAID.
It's a sad day when people become afraid to walk down the street knowing that any one of the people they pass might think they deserve to be murdered, if they knew what their beliefs are.
by Dana Scully; ; Report
FravelTooPointOh
Personally I don't think he was a good person, especially considering his opinions on empathy, so I don't care for the guy. However, with that said, I do feel bad for his family, everybody deserves a solid father figure and from what I know he didn't hurt his kids, I hope his children and wife are doing well.
"Sympathy I prefer much more than empathy, but that's a separate topic for another time. Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. Compassion allows for understanding."
That's the rest of the quote that everyone seems to leave out. They also completely ignore the context of what that discussion was even about -- In the video where he was saying this, he was SPECIFICALLY discussing how empathy is used as a tool in politics to appeal to a voter's emotions. "It is very effective when it comes to politics" -- as in, it's very easy to manipulate people by projecting a sense of relatability in order to get them to vote for you. No one can truly know what another person's pain feels like. That's why Charlie said he prefers using terms like sympathy and compassion, because that is more like saying "you're in pain, and I can't truly know how it feels, but I see you and I understand that you're in pain."
by Dana Scully; ; Report
ok cool dana
by FravelTooPointOh; ; Report
prom
Me when I'm a horrible person so I just get married and have kids so people will react like this when i inevitably get killed by what I preached for.
No.
☆C0sm0XD!☆
As much as I disliked Kirk and his opinions, and the things he said, I do think it is a little messed up for people to say the things they said about his death. While he was a very bad person, his family and his death should not be disrespected the way it was. Now, my empathy can only go so far for people like him, but my heart goes out to his children and wife.
WRMIPIE
Sorry 4 being off topic but I feel like I just need 2 say this: I genuinely think that it’s disgusting that it took a American conservative transphobic man to convince everyone that there should be more gun safety laws instead of some of the recent mass shootings. This country disappoints me.
Dana Scully
Thank you for speaking on this. I've been equally appalled, especially for SpaceHey. Been reporting all day and I'm sure will have to continue to report over the next few. It seems chronically online, but it's a slow week and I truly don't have anything more important to do than my part in keeping SpaceHey safe and not a hub for people to celebrate murder.
"You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies." -- Charlie Kirk
omg its dana scully hi im a big fan
by ꜱᴀɪʙᴀ ꜱᴘᴀʀᴅᴀ; ; Report
Haha hiiii xD
by Dana Scully; ; Report
cheyenne
I didn't really like Charlie Kirk because he came off as rude and condescending in most of the debates I've seen online, and I didn't agree with him on most fronts (I'm a Republican, but I try to be more tolerant than the elder Republican's). That being said: him being assassinated because he used his First Amendment right is disgusting. His debates were open to LITERALLY anyone. I'd even be willing to bet that Charlie would have GLADLY had a debate with his killer. But unfortunately, some people can just be so filled with hate, that now his children have lost their father, and his wife is now a widow. Worse: they had to WATCH.
This world is disgusting.
this isn't about him being punished for exercising his rights. he wasnt punished under the law. so i wish everyone would stop trying to make it about that
those rights are in place for legal/court reasons, full stop. if the shooter was like, employed by some government agent to silence him then yeah his right to free speech would be a valid point to bring up. but it was just some random person who did it, not the govt, not the courts. it was civilian violence, not a legal/rights issue
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
Please don't take this as me being rude or anything - I promise you, that is not my intention. But you do realize that MLK was killed for the same reason, right? His killer didn't like what he was doing and didn't like what he had to say - so, he killed him. Not trying to compare Charlie to MLK because I do not believe Charlie was on the same level as MLK, but it is similar situations around their deaths. It IS about the First Amendment and not acknowledging that is just...dumb.
I mean, what other reason could Charlie's killer have other than hating him/and what he had to say?
by cheyenne; ; Report
it isnt about the first amendment because again, those rights exist FOR THE COURT. to make decisions about LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. not as moral guidance for civilians
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
like, take any history/govt class and youll learn that
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
I did take a history class, and I did take a govt class. But you have GOT to understand that, while the First Amendment itself may be used in court, it STILL plays a part in this! He exercised his First Amendment right and was killed for it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment guarantees our right to free speech, religion, petition, press, and assembly. Charlie Kirk, by doing his debates and expressing his opinion, USED HIS FIRST AMENDMENT. And in doing so, knew some people would not agree with him. Someone took their disagreement too far and decided to take the life of a father and a husband.
The same thing happened with MLK. He used his FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT; some people didn't agree with it - and then he was killed for it. I'm seventeen, dude. Even I can understand this.
by cheyenne; ; Report
he wasnt killed for expressing his rights. he was killed because someone didnt like him and wanted him dead. this is so simple i literally cant explain it any more plainly. rights are for court. that's it. interpersonal issues have nothing to do with rights
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
https://blog.spacehey.com/entry?id=1910369 last i'll say on the topic because i'm not interested in arguing
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
Okay, I get what you’re saying.
Legally, the First Amendment only protects us from government punishment, not from what other people might do. You’re 100% right about that part.
But when I brought it up, I wasn’t only talking in the legal sense. I was talking in the broader, moral/social sense: that someone was killed for speaking their mind. That kind of violence is an attack on the same principle the First Amendment is built on; the idea that people should be free to express themselves without fear of being silenced by force.
So yeah, legally it’s a criminal act, not a constitutional issue. But morally, it is about free speech, because if people start fearing for their lives just for talking, then the spirit of the First Amendment is being trampled on, even if the law itself wasn’t involved.
by cheyenne; ; Report
morals are fully separate from the bill of rights, period. they werent written on morality in the first place, just what we as citizens have the legal right to do. just say it was wrong for somebody to murder him and keep the first amendment out of it
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
>interpersonal issues have nothing to do with rights
lmao that's like if I kidnapped someone and took their right of freedom because I didn't like them but no no it's okay, it's an "interpersonal issue". Only the government can't imprison people for now reason not me! I don't have to follow the law!
by rev; ; Report
you just live to ragebait and be fucking annoying and stupid dont you?
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
I live to be fucking annoying and stupid but unlike you I do it on purpose :o)
by rev; ; Report
i had no doubt
anyways koltin if you see this i already reported this guy once for using the n slur in a comment and i think i reported them actually once or twice before that for other shit against the rules so either 1) mods dont care that this person is breaking spacehey rules or 2) backed up on reports again?
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
the mods do not give a fuck about you lmao, I hope it's not triggering any childhood flashback XD
by rev; ; Report
the mods (sometimes) care about upholding spacehey rules, koltin is a friend, was just giving him a heads up, ive blocked you, get a life or dont, doesnt matter to me
by ♡ jovi 🐹; ; Report
I'm sorry, but as a large language model I do not have a life, you've been talking to an AI ragebait chatbot on blue reddit website like a retard this whole time.
by rev; ; Report