I want to answer people's questions or discuss this topic in-depth, but I know a lot of you fuckers on this website are braindead as hell and probably won't even read shit after this sentence. The state of the discourse is quite intense as well so I can see why some would get defensive or say dumb shit n whatevs, which is why I have disabled the comments.

I will make this as concise as I can, but remember this shit is still LONG LOOONG so please check other resources down below instead if you want more questions answered

⚠ CONTENT WARNING FOR MENTIONS OF SENSITIVE TOPICS SUCH AS INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, AND MORE! ⚠

What is proship?

Freedom of fiction. Live and let live, what others enjoy is none of your business regardless if you like it or not. The label was created as some sort of counter due to the rise in antishippers.

Antishippers

Was a label for people who disliked a certain ship. Was more about hating on the ship itself rather than the people themselves who liked it, however times have changed and the hatred has shifted more onto the people who shipped the things they disliked.

I thought proship meant (insert stupid shit)

No it doesn't mean u ship incest or whatever, it will always mean freedom of fiction, full stop. "ooh but what aout the incesties or or" freedom of fiction applies to all fiction. Freedom is free, there are no exceptions. Making exceptions goes against the point of that. People who tell you it's "antiharassment" are lying as well because it's fucking not. It is anti-censorship, and people can do wild shit just in the name of being anti-censorship. That DOES NOT make harassment ok in any way btw

However when proshippers do say that being an antishipper is pro-harassment they AREN'T REALLY that wrong either becuz, as stated before, antiship as a label literally started off of HATRED of something. Proship, its origin, serve as a counter against that because harassment was getting intense over time from antis side. Is the entire ideology about harassing pple (or in support of it?) Ofc not but I don't blame anyone who calls it pro-harassment when your entire ideology started by HATING on other people, and guess what, HATRED can cause harassment!

And yes you don't have to like gross things to be a proshipper, all it matters is that you dont gaf, curate ur own online exxperiences n move on with ur day. Simple as that.

Ok cool dipshit what makes u think proship is ok??? Hmm?? Gross!

From this point on this will break into many different antis argument that you people keep parroting over and over and over again and when we do make a response to it yall just ignore it or double down by making urself look dumber.

Fiction affects reality

yes it does whats ur point??? its clear that ure just living in an echo chamber if u unironically think that the only proship argument is "fiction doesnt affect reality" OR ure just braindead. Fiction affects reality but just because it does doesn't mean that it affects EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of it, its not black n white

Tell me, can u differenciate between a fictional character and a person? No do not pull up the "but but but but!!!" just tell me if you know a character is fictional or not. If u can, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Also yall r probably the same type of people to say shit like "I like fictional characters more than real people!" or "fictional people lover" anyways be forreal, so don't act like you know NOTHING when it comes to seperating fiction n reality

Enjoying dark fiction is biggy baddy coping mechanism it ruins u even more!!!

Erm IT DEPENDS??? Trauma affects everyone differently, victims of abuse are STILL people. We can be weird, we can be fucked up or be interested in things that society might deem unacceptable so stop pretending that we are literally all clones of one another. Stop using people's REAL, TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES as a way to push further ur ideas against THINGS THAT DON'T EVEN EXIST. Is it unhealthy? It CAN be if ure just not the right person for it but thas like for a lot of other coping mechanisms anyways.

"But im a victim too and I agree" Ok cool but not everyone is like you. I hope you learn to grow up and stand in solidarity with other victims of abuse, all of our experiences are valid and so are yours. But what you do doesn't help. You should spread awareness and acceptance, not single out others whom you have been told/deemed to be "disgusting" and "unhealthy" so you can appear more valid and rise up above the ranks of social acceptability n whatevr. You can't advocate for SHIT if you're gonna put others down.

Bbbut they r still peepole!!! Kids!!!! Yaknow....

Fictional characters are OBJECTS. Could they be depictions of a real world topic? Yeah but in the end fictional characters are still OBJECTS and the way you treat them can never truly reflect who u r as a person.

NO you shouldn't "treat them like real people" cuz applying real world morals to fictional characters doesnt work, if it does even socially acceptable and unproblematic tropes n shit WILL BE PROBLEMATIC.

ur BELOVED wholesome cafe/restaurant AUs? PROBLEMATIC because its romanticised workplace harassment. Because workers are OBLIGED to be nice to you, they don't have a choice. Enemies to lovers? PROBLEMATIC because why are you shipping people who clearly DO NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER to be together?? They have hurt one another, went through pain because of each other and you want them to KISS AND FUCK?? (because we should treat them like real people right)

In fact I have seen SO MANY SHIPS that SHOULD'VE been considered problematic if you people actually believed in "treating fictional characters like real people" but somehow those things are fine or make an exception

Ok but it can make u believe bad things r okay

I think you are confused. We are not talking about propaganda, we are talking about FICTION. FANFICS. Do u think I'd go onto AO3 for sex ed??? I'm sorry but if u need fiction to teach u how the real world works then YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN GET INTO IT!!! You're either a dumb kid or mentally ill

If u have a strong moral code, strong enough that u can consume media critically with other dark themes like cannibalism, violence, and wahtever then SAME CAN APPLY TO ANYTHING ELSE!!!

Ok but it can slowly convert you into a pedo n whatevr and and

Does reading yaoi turn u gay? Does playing violent video games turn u into a serial killer or a school shooter? It doesn't turn u into anything, but it does reveal what type of persn u r. if u r a bad person then enjoying fictional content wouldn't b enough for you, you'd seek for the real thing, but if u aren't then fictional content is enough. It's not about transformation but rather discovery.

Also if u cant tell by the first 2 sentences of the above paragraph, saying that fiction can transform u into something or whatever sounds ODDLY similar to conservative rhetoric. Reading gay shit wont turn u gay but if ure gay u might be able to find that out through fictional content, so on and so forth, and same applies to dark fiction.

Its different though like, between enjoying it just because it has dark topics or jerking off n whatever AND dissecting it and trying to understand the characters thought processes

So what? You are allowed to enjoy anything in your own way as long as you consume it critically lol (which is what most people can do, you included, hence why you're antiproship anyways because lets be honest fiction cant brainwash you into believing shit if you're a normal person) i think ive already addressed this on past paras but im not goin back im lazy

Semi-related argument, but whenever the point of "oh well dark fiction is bad right, then how come are u fine with violent video games then" is brought up the most common counter argument I see is "oh but it releases two different chemicals like if u hurt other pple it releases adrenaline but if u play games it releases dopamines" but that's literally just a bunch of stupid words to look smart. "If u kill people it makes u feel shit if u play it makes u happy" is what all of that meant.

And if anything all of that has proved me even further that YES, we can seperate fiction from reality and that's why our brain releases different chemicals on those two things!!! You're a serial killer if killing people makes you happy, but normal people aren't like that we just like to play games!!!

(to the image) But my boundaries are being broken cuz i dont like yucky yucky fictioneries!!

Ok then block and move on, curate ur own experiences and YES I know there are scummy people out there who dont tag their content properly or share them in appropriate places, fuck them just keep blocking them. It's not the fault of dark fiction but irresposible people/assholes. "Bbbut what about kids who don't know-" THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU ARE A SHITTY PARENT IF YOU DONT MODERATE WHAT YOUR KIDS DO ONLINE, IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OTHERS. THAT'S YOUR JOB!!!

But shipping real pple is bad

since when are we talking about REAL people? this entire time I'm talking about fictional characters

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Never coming back to this account again unless I have more shit to complain cuz yall suck lol anyways heres more resources, and OH if you're going to bring up this fuckass carrd well guess what IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!!!

• Shipping Glossary - Provides general definitions for words used in fandoms
• Define proship - Defines proship
• Learn about proshipping - Once again provides a general view on "proship" as an ideology
• Comshipng - Discusses common questions and arguments, includes resources + snippets from those resources
• all about comship! - Discusses common questions and arguments, includes resources and also showcases antis social harm
• fictionaffectsmynuts - More specialized towards discussing common arguments and questions, includes reosources
• Fujoshi.info - Not a proship resource in particular but has a dedicated page showcasing antis' societal harm, most notable part for me is the fact that their rhetoric is VERY SIMILAR to shit conservatives say